Quoting peace train:

I like your use of vocabulary Vineyards, it reminds me of the Romantics.

With regard to posting poems here. I think a person's reason for posting a poem can give meaning to it also. A reader may think they know the character of the person who posted it and make assumptions. Perhaps I am not expressing myself clearly. I will give an example, but , please Handsom, don't think I am criticising you, I'm not. I am saying as much about the reader (myself) as the poster.

Example:

The morning of the day Handsom posted this poem, I had read his post saying he was bored. When I read the poem he posted, my immediate reaction was . . . " this bored man wants to make mischief today ". The content of the poem did not offend me but his admission of boredom made me jump to the conclusion he was after a very mixed reaction. Sure enough, some members were bemused, some offended (for different reasons) and some enjoyed the ensuing literary discussion. I still think handsom was bored and wanted to cause some mischief but I also recognise that he has an appreciation for poetry that is not so shallow and a talent for translating.

I hope my point is clear.

Poetry, art, music they all illicit thought, they awaken our sub conscious. Often we want to know more about the creator of a work. This can help us to understand the poem more but actually, it doesn't matter because our own response to a work is just as valid, however complex or simplistic it may be. What we take from a poem may also depend on our mood when we read it. We may seek out certain poems, music, to compliment our mood.

These arts are not static, they are timeless, fluid, the creators often take years to craft a piece.

Even when 'complete' I would say a poem, a piece of music, a painting, a sculpture, is still a work in progress.

It's life begins when the creator presents it to the world.

Quoting vineyards:

Are we all innocent? What is innocence in the first place?

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Vineyards, ellerine saglik. Thank you for putting this thread back how it belongs.

Thehandsom, are you ok with it that I post this poem with your (both) translation in the poetry section? I think it is lovely.

Quoting Roswitha:

Excellent response, PT!

Quoting vineyards:

This is my attempt. As the other thread has gone out of control, I am starting a new one. I've found thehandsome's translation very good but there are many ways to translate a poem and when the poet is Yucel there are indeed many.

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting thehandsom: