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CHP / Greater danger to Turkish democracy?
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 07:28 pm

What is chp?
When you look at the political parties in turkey AKP, MHP, DYP, ANAP, DTP and others, you can kind of explain without much difficulty to other people where they are in the political spectrum and what they represent. Similar parties can be identified in any other countries which have half way decent democracy and electrol system.
But there is a party in Turkey, which have been so important throuhgout the entire life of the republic. it is called CHP. There is no way you can explain what this party represents to a person who is not turkish!!
When you listen to the leader or the supporters of this party, they will call themselves social democrat. And your gut feelings puts this party on the left side of political spectrum.

But
Chp is a party that think they are the state and the people at the same time.
Chp is the party that you can question if it is a social democrat party but you can not question that it is a nationalist party. When they see that solutions for turkey in the changing world will upset the nationalistic feelings, they stick themselves to nationalism more.
Chp is the party that 'land and statusquo' makes its core and that is the reason it is a handicapped party as far as producing political solutions are concerned.
Chp is the party that did not hasistate to support the army's threathing, fascist message on their website on 28 april 2007
Chp thinks that necessary constitution changes, done for eu integration is bringing the sevr back, not necesary for democracy.
Chp thinks that democracy can be dangerous for turkey because of 'our country's special circumstances'.
Chp is the party that thinks the deep state is not very important issue to this country.
Chp is a party that its entire philosphy has been reduced to save the statusquo whatever the cost. They dont even have the courage or the strength to see the wrong parts about what they are trying to protect.

I am begining to think CHP is greater danger to Turkish democracy than islamist AKP or racist MHP!!

2.       KeithL
1455 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 08:57 pm

This message is brought to you by, Radio Tkp-oğlu.


Quoting thehandsom:

What is chp?

I am begining to think CHP is greater danger to Turkish democracy than islamist AKP or racist MHP!!

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:14 pm

You are wrong (again!!)
I have never ever had any inclinations to tkp.
If I had, I would not deny it!!
But however, yours is a very common way of attacking people, who shows what is wrong..
So it not a huge surprise.

4.       KeithL
1455 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 10:21 pm

You are too serious hansom. This was not an attack. Have some fun.
This is the same as saying "democratville" or "republicanville".
Please don't say this was an attack...

5.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 11:16 pm

I wouldnt say CHP is more dangerous than MHP, but it surely is more dangerous than (the nearly closed) AKP.

I heard a speaker of CHP on television one day, I'm sure Atatürk would turn around in his grave if he could see what has become of his party!

Though I am against the closure of AKP, I hope it opens the road to a to a real left democratic liberal thinking party.

6.       azade
1606 posts
 20 Apr 2008 Sun 11:38 pm

We need some new, forward-thinking parties

7.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 21 Apr 2008 Mon 01:13 am

anything is better than the American-based parties (aka the dogs of America), namely AKP, MHP, and DTP.

8.       white-wolf
55 posts
 21 Apr 2008 Mon 10:00 am

I think for progress of Turkey, CHP must be closed not AKP.

I have not seen any good thing from CHP for the folk. They allways bickering, dickering, spitting foams and attacking evrything. They do not offer anything positive. They support Coups and military rule when they could not beat other parties in the pools.

For Turkiye, the biggest threat is CHP not Sheria, not PKK, not Iran!

9.       incişka
746 posts
 22 Apr 2008 Tue 04:12 pm

Quoting white-wolf:


They support Coups and military rule when they could not beat other parties in the pools.



Yes!! Like little spoilt kids

10.       incişka
746 posts
 22 Apr 2008 Tue 04:18 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

I am begining to think CHP is greater danger to Turkish democracy than islamist AKP or racist MHP!!



Except that I dont agree on the titles of islamist and racist for those parties completely with u, + 1

11.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 29 Apr 2008 Tue 04:11 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

I am begining to think CHP is greater danger to Turkish democracy than islamist AKP or racist MHP!!



Why would a 47% voted party be dangerous?
You say something like "Half of the Turkey is dangerous for Turkey"

I don't know... I think it can be dangerous for those who wants only their vote to be eligible. Or maybe dangerous only for you? I don't know maybe everything is dangerous for you.

12.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Apr 2008 Tue 04:31 pm

Quoting caliptrix:

Quoting thehandsom:

I am begining to think CHP is greater danger to Turkish democracy than islamist AKP or racist MHP!!



Why would a 47% voted party be dangerous?
You say something like "Half of the Turkey is dangerous for Turkey"

I don't know... I think it can be dangerous for those who wants only their vote to be eligible. Or maybe dangerous only for you? I don't know maybe everything is dangerous for you.


The percentage of the vote can not be a criteria itself.
Dont forget, hitler's party before WWII had the majority as well.
I was not saying that 'half of Turkey is dangerous to Turkey' at all..

You misunderstood I think.

13.       Tazx1
435 posts
 30 Apr 2008 Wed 03:19 pm

I have lived all my life in the UK, I have visited almost all major European countries, I am a firm supporter of left wing liberal views. As a non Turkish person, but who has great regard and affection for Turkey, I find it difficult to understand why so much animosity is displayed by a certain section of the Turkish 'vatandaşlar' to wards the AKP? Some of my Turkish friends, realising that I am a non-Turk, speak to me rather candidly. Their general view seems to be that democracy is OK, but only if people agree with us and support our 'elitist' lifestyle. The rest of the Turks are actually peasants 'çiftlikler' who do not deserve or merit entery into 'real' politics.

I listen and keep quiet. But in actual fact, I find this 'enlightened' view both arrogant and dagerous and one that only serves the interest of foreign powers ... not that of an independent, ordinary, average Turk.

I witnessed and experienced the Ciller [& that idiot Necmitten Erbakan] period and the instability before that. I moved around in the 'enlightened' circles too ... and I think these politicians were very corrupt and self seekers who paid lip service to Turkey while they lined their own pockets. It did not seem to matter to them if the 'Multinational Corporations' [or whoever] stripped Turkey bare ... as long as these politicians received their 30 pieces of silver! To us, outside Turkey, the Lira was a joke and governing Turkey only the right of the few army generals, the rich and mighty, and the corrupt politicians. Under AKP, the YTL has been very stable. [2005=> £1=2.65; 2008=> £1=2.53]!!

Since 2005, I have personally witnessed a change in the whole atmosphere ... and a change for the better, might I add. I was amazed and very impressed by the Health care programs, the refurbishment of infra structure, transport and communications, the effecient functioning of civil service, even at the 'Belediye' level, where corruption seemed rife a few years back. Being a teacher of Maths and English [in England], I have personally felt a significant and palpable improvement in the educational standards in Turkey [I know because when in Turkey, I usually teach my neighbours' children, free of course]. And finally, I have seen a new glint of self respect and self confidence in the eyes of the 'Ordinary' people on the street, going hand in hand with the economic and social prosperity.

Compared with conditions that I saw a decade ago, Turkey has come a long way. People should be celebrating not complaining of imaginary phobias that do not exist. There is no cure for paranoia generated by the Military generals, in league with forein elements. As a great American president once said, "You have nothing to fear, but fear itself", my friend. I truly wish and hope that the resentment and hatred of the AKP, felt by the 'select' few will not be able to thwart the wishes of the 'elect' majority.

Hoscakalin. Tazx1

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