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10.       doudi94
845 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 07:52 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

My opinion is that Turkey is well far from gender equality. Of course I´m comparing this to the West. If compared to other Middle Eastern countries then maybe they are way ahead of the game. There is the perception that women still should be barefoot and pregnant along with their rightful place in the home. Maybe the younger generations ideals are less critical.

 

Again witht that same style of thinking about the middle east! I really dont blame you for thinking lke this though its all the medias fault, you say maybe the younger generation thinks different, yeah, they do but nit only the younger generation, even before my grandmas time here in egypt, women were business owners and singers and actors and everything,a nd the same thing today, a woman can ahve any role she wants, and the "middle eastern"media is actually supporting that getting and making alot of arabic shows starring most of teh time rich ladies , the whole thought of "women running aroun pregnant on bare" has been abolished liek 100 years ago!!!! atleast in the more civilized places, but in the rural areas the sME THIGN IS HAPPENONG, but the country is doing alot of efforts to change that, and you hear about storues everyday in the newspaper about a birl from the country who decided she wanted to.....whatever, i dont kbnow if what youre saying is based on personal experiences or is that justan opinion, have you lived both hhere and there to compare? I dont know about youbut i have! Or does it just make you feel more comftrobale saying yeah, were the most civilized peopkle and compare yourself to other countries and laugh?!?!It isnt a womans goal to get married and have kids! She doesnt see her respectful place as home! Of course youre rtight there are some countries who are a little backward but i dont think turkey is one of them, but i cant judge since i have nt lived theer

11.       Trudy
7887 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 08:13 pm

 

Quoting doudi94

Again witht that same style of thinking about the middle east! I really dont blame you for thinking lke this though its all the medias fault, you say maybe the younger generation thinks different, yeah, they do but nit only the younger generation, even before my grandmas time here in egypt, women were business owners and singers and actors and everything,a nd the same thing today, a woman can ahve any role she wants, and the "middle eastern"media is actually supporting that getting and making alot of arabic shows starring most of teh time rich ladies , the whole thought of "women running aroun pregnant on bare" has been abolished liek 100 years ago!!!! atleast in the more civilized places, but in the rural areas the sME THIGN IS HAPPENONG, but the country is doing alot of efforts to change that, and you hear about storues everyday in the newspaper about a birl from the country who decided she wanted to.....whatever, i dont kbnow if what youre saying is based on personal experiences or is that justan opinion, have you lived both hhere and there to compare? I dont know about youbut i have! Or does it just make you feel more comftrobale saying yeah, were the most civilized peopkle and compare yourself to other countries and laugh?!?!It isnt a womans goal to get married and have kids! She doesnt see her respectful place as home! Of course youre rtight there are some countries who are a little backward but i dont think turkey is one of them, but i cant judge since i have nt lived theer

 

 Go for it, Doudi! Change ideas and acts. {#lang_emotions_flowers}

12.       teaschip
3870 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 08:13 pm

 

Quoting doudi94

Again witht that same style of thinking about the middle east! I really dont blame you for thinking lke this though its all the medias fault, you say maybe the younger generation thinks different, yeah, they do but nit only the younger generation, even before my grandmas time here in egypt, women were business owners and singers and actors and everything,a nd the same thing today, a woman can ahve any role she wants, and the "middle eastern"media is actually supporting that getting and making alot of arabic shows starring most of teh time rich ladies , the whole thought of "women running aroun pregnant on bare" has been abolished liek 100 years ago!!!! atleast in the more civilized places, but in the rural areas the sME THIGN IS HAPPENONG, but the country is doing alot of efforts to change that, and you hear about storues everyday in the newspaper about a birl from the country who decided she wanted to.....whatever, i dont kbnow if what youre saying is based on personal experiences or is that justan opinion, have you lived both hhere and there to compare? I dont know about youbut i have! Or does it just make you feel more comftrobale saying yeah, were the most civilized peopkle and compare yourself to other countries and laugh?!?!It isnt a womans goal to get married and have kids! She doesnt see her respectful place as home! Of course youre rtight there are some countries who are a little backward but i dont think turkey is one of them, but i cant judge since i have nt lived theer

 

I´m basing my opinions on experience of course. I never said Turkey hasn´t progressed.  And yes, it is the older generation as I specifically said in my previous post.  A great deal of women do not have educations, therefore it is very difficult to get work for them. Women get arrested for wearing short skirts how about honor killings shall I go on?  This has nothing to do with the media, I´m afraid.  If you really think the perception of women having their places in soceity is abolished..you have alot to still learn.   Many people in my own country the U.S. still feel this way as well.

 

Does it make me feel more comfortable laughing at other countries because I think were more civilized?  What kind of question is this.....and what gave you that opinion?  {#lang_emotions_you_crazy}

13.       doudi94
845 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 08:32 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

I´m basing my opinions on experience of course. I never said Turkey hasn´t progressed. And yes, it is the older generation as I specifically said in my previous post. A great deal of women do not have educations, therefore it is very difficult to get work for them. Women get arrested for wearing short skirts how about honor killings shall I go on? This has nothing to do with the media, I´m afraid. If you really think the perception of women having their places in soceity is abolished..you have alot to still learn. Many people in my own country the U.S. still feel this way as well.

 

Does it make me feel more comfortable laughing at other countries because I think were more civilized? What kind of question is this.....and what gave you that opinion? {#lang_emotions_you_crazy}

Of course a lot of women dont have the proper educationa nd i feel so bad about that, but i dont know why everybody always spcifies the middle east, but the media has a lot of things to do with this! Maybe not to you since youve actually seen and experienced, im just rerally mad that a positive side never arises always criticism from european and western countries, and the funny thing is they air these things here (we get almost all foreign channels) i mean i think its kinda weird when i talk to a girl from europe on the internet and she doesnt believe i ahev internet and that i acn speak english, dont you thik taht ahs somethignt o do with the media?Its just crazy really!And of course there are all those bad stuff you said but ive never heard abotu women getting arrested for wearing a short skirt at least not here, or else the theyll ahev to arrest half of cairo! lol

 

14.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 08:43 pm

 

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15.       doudi94
845 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 08:49 pm

 

Quoting zhang ziyi

A big faux pais!

It is a bit strange that you haven´t picked up certain habbits, rules of even say codex of commenting here.

When women from Middle East (such as Canli or doudi) give their opinions it would be ideal if you agree with them and don´t criticize their countries, cultures and religious actions.

Pointing out frustraiting facts equals to insulting and offending.

 

Im sorry!!btu she has the right to do whatever she wants, to agree or not agree with me is her opinion and i respect it!!!!And she can point out any facts she wants, were nto some kind of aliens="don´t criticize their countries, cultures and religious actions.

Pointing out frustraiting facts equals to insulting and offending." she can critociz e how ever she wants!!! Im sorry but i take what you say VERY insulting! And I think youre from china right? I can poin out  alot of things i want, and you might take it as insulting also? What do you see us? Crazy monsters who´s youd better agree with!!!!?????????iM VERY SORRY BuT I TOTalLY DIsagREE wITH YOU!! and what youre saying is exactly what i mean by"what people think of the middleast!!!"

16.       Trudy
7887 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 08:53 pm

 

Quoting doudi94

Im sorry!!btu she has the right to do whatever she wants, to agree or not agree with me is her opinion and i respect it!!!!And she can point out any facts she wants, were nto some kind of aliens="don´t criticize their countries, cultures and religious actions.

Pointing out frustraiting facts equals to insulting and offending." she can critociz e how ever she wants!!! Im sorry but i take what you say VERY insulting! And I think youre from china right? I can poin out  alot of things i want, and you might take it as insulting also? What do you see us? Crazy monsters who´s youd better agree with!!!!?????????iM VERY SORRY BuT I TOTalLY DIsagREE wITH YOU!! and what youre saying is exactly what i mean by"what people think of the middleast!!!"

 

 Doudi: {#lang_emotions_flowers}

17.       teaschip
3870 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 08:55 pm

 

Quoting doudi94

Of course a lot of women dont have the proper educationa nd i feel so bad about that, but i dont know why everybody always spcifies the middle east, but the media has a lot of things to do with this! Maybe not to you since youve actually seen and experienced, im just rerally mad that a positive side never arises always criticism from european and western countries, and the funny thing is they air these things here (we get almost all foreign channels) i mean i think its kinda weird when i talk to a girl from europe on the internet and she doesnt believe i ahev internet and that i acn speak english, dont you thik taht ahs somethignt o do with the media?Its just crazy really!And of course there are all those bad stuff you said but ive never heard abotu women getting arrested for wearing a short skirt at least not here, or else the theyll ahev to arrest half of cairo! lol

 

I agree the media happens to exploit things all the time.  I was mearly giving you an example regarding Turkey and it´s neighboring countries compared to the west regarding equalities.   You commented about why the middle east is always criticized.. just take a look at the criticism we receive all the time. Heck I can pull thousands of pictures with the following people rioting in the streets in the ME :Burn the Americans alive...etc...we are the most hated country right now.  The problem exists because you have a bunch of men running this world...that´s equalities for you.

 

Back to original comment you thought Turkey did a good job with equalties for women, I still think they have a long way to go. 

 

If you do a search at this site you will see articles posted by members of honour killings and here is the one about the short skirt. http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_27720_72

18.       doudi94
845 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 08:57 pm

 

Quoting zhang ziyi

A big faux pais!

It is a bit strange that you haven´t picked up certain habbits, rules of even say codex of commenting here.

When women from Middle East (such as Canli or doudi) give their opinions it would be ideal if you agree with them and don´t criticize their countries, cultures and religious actions.

Pointing out frustraiting facts equals to insulting and offending.

 

I just want you to imagine how i felt reading this! A VERY red face with the my head and ears and nostrilks blowing smoke(+ fire lol)!!!!! I really wish i couldve said more but i couldnt put it in to words.....

19.       teaschip
3870 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 08:58 pm

 

Quoting zhang ziyi

A big faux pais!

It is a bit strange that you haven´t picked up certain habbits, rules of even say codex of commenting here.

When women from Middle East (such as Canli or doudi) give their opinions it would be ideal if you agree with them and don´t criticize their countries, cultures and religious actions.

Pointing out frustraiting facts equals to insulting and offending.

 

 Thanks for reminding me of this.  {#lang_emotions_lol}

20.       teaschip
3870 posts
 27 Aug 2008 Wed 08:59 pm

 

Quoting doudi94

I just want you to imagine how i felt reading this! A VERY red face with the my head and ears and nostrilks blowing smoke(+ fire lol)!!!!! I really wish i couldve said more but i couldnt put it in to words.....

 

 He meant this as sarcasm doudi, I assure you.{#lang_emotions_wink}

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