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Gender Equality in Turkey
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28 Aug 2008 Thu 08:56 am |
Again the media only transmits what it wants too,
Exactly right! They want to make money and they want to manipulate the masses. Sensationalism is often their intention. Ownership of the publication is also a factor, because that can determine the political stance of a newspaper for example. This is why, many months ago, I posed the questions here:
"Which Turkish newspapers are reputable? Whiat is the political stance of some of the newspapers? "
As a foreigner I wanted to read both sides of the Turkish news.
Then there are the many documentaries, hours of footage condensed into 30 or 60 minutes. I´d be more interested in what´s on the cutting room floor, not what I´m being fed.
Individuals can and do seek redress in the law courts, often with success. Unfortunately this doesn´t appear to be an option for sectors of society who receive poor treatment at the hands of the press/media. In England there are sometimes retractions printed in newspapers as a result of a complaint, although they almost never make the front page, but a few centimetres somewhere in the middle pages. There are also TV watchdogs and people can lodge complaints, the results of which are broadcast (in the we hours often). I guess it´s a start.
Of course there is good practice out there but sensationalism seems to be prevalent (I´m not only referring to Turkey btw).
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28 Aug 2008 Thu 03:52 pm |
And tell us please, how long did you live in Turkia or Egypt? Have you lived in the South West of the US? When was the last time you were in Istanbul, or Ankara...or even anyplace in Turkia?
You really think I´m going to tell YOU my personal information. It´s frankly none of business whether I have lived in Turkey or any other part of the world. I don´t need to justify to you what my experience has been.. You are almost comical alamada since you would like to believe you are a subject expert on EVERYTHING. But we know different.
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28 Aug 2008 Thu 04:23 pm |
You really think I´m going to tell YOU my personal information. It´s frankly none of business whether I have lived in Turkey or any other part of the world. I don´t need to justify to you what my experience has been.. You are almost comical alamada since you would like to believe you are a subject expert on EVERYTHING. But we know different.
It´s especially funny given that fact that alameda refuses to answer any questions put to her about her experience or her expertise! Hell, she didn´t even want anyone to know she was a chick for the longest time!!!
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28 Aug 2008 Thu 06:03 pm |
It´s especially funny given that fact that alameda refuses to answer any questions put to her about her experience or her expertise! Hell, she didn´t even want anyone to know she was a chick for the longest time!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_(Saturday_Night_Live)
I believe I revealed this before....when will you start listening to me GG!!
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28 Aug 2008 Thu 06:27 pm |
You really think I´m going to tell YOU my personal information. It´s frankly none of business whether I have lived in Turkey or any other part of the world. I don´t need to justify to you what my experience has been.. You are almost comical alamada since you would like to believe you are a subject expert on EVERYTHING. But we know different.
thats kinda mean........
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28 Aug 2008 Thu 06:34 pm |
.......but kinda true.....
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28 Aug 2008 Thu 07:06 pm |
.......but kinda true.....
Ummm....excuse me? Are you not supposed to be a moderator? Instead, you seem more like an instigator.
For what it´s worth, I asked teaschip about her experience because she claimed it as her source when involved in a discussion regarding Gender Equality in Turkey. That discussion evolved into the rights of women in the ME. She was involved in a discussion with a woman from the ME. It is relevant in that case.
In particular the question was asked by doudi94
"i dont kbnow if what youre saying is based on personal experiences or is that justan opinion, have you lived both hhere and there to compare? I dont know about youbut i have!"
To which teaschip replied:
"I´m basing my opinions on experience of course."
Based on reading teaschip´s story posted here, I am curious, what new experience she has aquired.
As for my information sources, I do give links to them. As for my experience, I have decades of serious personal and business involvement with both cultures. If I do not care to publicly broadcast my gender, unlike some, it is my right to privacy. It does not change the facts I refer to.
Now, I have been personally insulted numerous times by teaschip and girleegirl. I have never personally insulted them. So, moderator, what´s up? Are you picking and choosing here?
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28 Aug 2008 Thu 07:47 pm |
Ummm....excuse me? Are you not supposed to be a moderator? Instead, you seem more like an instigator.
For what it´s worth, I asked teaschip about her experience because she claimed it as her source when involved in a discussion regarding Gender Equality in Turkey. That discussion evolved into the rights of women in the ME. She was involved in a discussion with a woman from the ME. It is relevant in that case.
In particular the question was asked by doudi94
"i dont kbnow if what youre saying is based on personal experiences or is that justan opinion, have you lived both hhere and there to compare? I dont know about youbut i have!"
To which teaschip replied:
"I´m basing my opinions on experience of course."
Based on reading teaschip´s story posted here, I am curious, what new experience she has aquired.
As for my information sources, I do give links to them. As for my experience, I have decades of serious personal and business involvement with both cultures. If I do not care to publicly broadcast my gender, unlike some, it is my right to privacy. It does not change the facts I refer to.
Now, I have been personally insulted numerous times by teaschip and girleegirl. I have never personally insulted them. So, moderator, what´s up? Are you picking and choosing here?
You are so full of CRAP! Let´s see who the instigator is...instead of adding anything meaningful to this post, you question my experience in a cunning manner, so don´t deny it. You need to really take a good look at yourself, but somehow I doubt you ever will. Why does it always appear that it is YOU who is always in some kind of arguement with other members here.
Since you state I have insulted you numerous times which is a LIE...consider this post an insult which you well deserve.
Quit playing the innocent victim card Alamada..you make me sick. Oh and you wanted resources.. well you know where you can get your resources.....I´ll leave it at that.
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28 Aug 2008 Thu 07:55 pm |
Ummm....excuse me? Are you not supposed to be a moderator? Instead, you seem more like an instigator.
My comment was not insulting, a personal attack or backing anyone up. My comment ´...but kinda true...´ was an answer to doudi´s ´that´s kinda mean...´ and was made because I was agreeing that it is none of your business where Teaschip has lived and she doesn´t have to justify her experience and you do seem to think you are an expert on everything. Perhaps I should have just added ´+1´ to teaschip´s post
Being a moderator doesn´t mean I am not allowed to post my opinion - although mostly I hold back on what I´´d really like to say
´Views of moderators and administrators do not represent the views of the site´
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28 Aug 2008 Thu 10:01 pm |
Ummm....excuse me? Are you not supposed to be a moderator? Instead, you seem more like an instigator.
My comment was not insulting, a personal attack or backing anyone up. My comment ´...but kinda true...´ was an answer to doudi´s ´that´s kinda mean...´ and was made because I was agreeing that it is none of your business where Teaschip has lived and she doesn´t have to justify her experience and you do seem to think you are an expert on everything. Perhaps I should have just added ´+1´ to teaschip´s post
Being a moderator doesn´t mean I am not allowed to post my opinion - although mostly I hold back on what I´´d really like to say
´Views of moderators and administrators do not represent the views of the site´
No comment, just: + 10000000!!!
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28 Aug 2008 Thu 11:44 pm |
I don´t know how relevant this is but we can´t talk about gender equality here in TC either. Remember that all the active mods are females. One might claim that sex has never been a factor with regard to moderator selections. Others may add males were also given chances in the past too. If your view is one of a sexist regardless of what kind, you will inevitably become irritated by the fact that you are a member of a community run by females. You see the world the way you want to see it.
Microsoft introduced us to a world of icons that put those once not-so-easy-to-master tasks just a click away. Sadly, in real life too, we often resort to those magical icons e.g. The West, The East, Islam, Al Qaeda and terror. Use one of these before any concept and it instantly becomes crystal clear. The East means no gender equality, oppression, malice, igorance and yes terrorism. Anything that is West by definition is probably too early for the East and is unexpected...
Last summer, I listened to a Greek guy in Athens who put his hand on my shoulder to give me an authoritative description of my country with such seriousness that almost compelled to question my own knowledge about it. That guy had not even been to Turkey. In fact, he didn´t have to; he had all the necessary stereotypes.
We are living in a world which is divided into camps. Everyone attempts to understand one another in their own cultural terms.
Today, the problem of women is a universal one. It is not specific to a particular religion or culture. According to the Bible, the order of the creatures is as follows : Holy trinity, angels, males, females, animals, plants and chaos. The West still believes in this book. All the institutions are still either directly or indirectly based on or influenced by it. When a child is born, when people are getting married they still follow the rules of a system that turns around a male God, a male prophet, male pontiffs and male rulers. While this may seem insignificant to you this is actually the reason why the US has still never had a female President. The religion has penetrated into society so deeply that it is not possible to get around it. Religions tend to demonize other faith systems; again the hatred it aroused among people is still so alive.
It goes without saying whatever I said about the Christian faith is also true for Islam.
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