An inmate at Ýstanbul’s Metris Prison has been pronounced brain dead by doctors after allegedly being mistreated and tortured at the hands of prison guards, several Turkish dailies have reported. According to reports yesterday, Engin Ceber, 29, was taken into custody in Ýstanbul along with three of his friends for selling the leftist magazine Yürüyüþ. They were later convicted and sent to Metris Prison. The four inmates were reportedly subjected to disproportionate use of force and heavy torture by prison guards. Ceber was taken to a hospital three days ago and was pronounced brain dead there, after suffering from a brain hemorrhage as a result of head injury. Ceber’s lawyer, Taylan Tanay, said his client complained several times that he was frequently subjected to inhumane treatment in prison. “The last time I met with him before he was taken to the hospital there were bruises on his face. He said he was being tortured. The other day, I wanted to meet with my client once more, but prison officials said he was dead. They later said he was being kept in the intensive care unit of the Þiþli Etfal Hospital,” he noted.

Source: http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=155495

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When will this stop? Also inmates, whatever their crime was, are entitled to normal treatment, aren´t they?

What concerns me the most is the reason he was tortured...selling leftist magazines..I have my views on how prisoners should be treated..but tortured because of a magazine.  My Gosh, how radical is that!

I think it is better people who think these type of news offending ´gentle feeling of their Turkishness´ answer your question.

 While I think that selling a leftist magazine with your pals when you´re 29 years old is rather immature, nobody deserves to be beaten to death for that. I hope those responsible are severely punished, things like that should not happen.

I remember, before, when i was little, id watch movies with my parents and when ever they wanted a guy torchered theyd send him to prison in turkey, and thatw as the only thing i knew before about turkey, lol, prisons, and BTW the prisons looked sickining and sickining things happened!

Never thought it was true though(recently only)

but my brothers still think it is lol

Ill go to them theyre right

What does this mean..? Can you translate this into simpler English...?

I dont feel offended from this news. I actually condemn them. But I feel offended if Trudy or you post always bad news from turkey. as if this is all about Turkey. There are many kind of propaganda. one of them is "only mentioning about bad part of the subject" that will cause eventually be image of the subject.

This is actually the root of the problem on this website.  You Turks are only happy when we talk about your warm hospitality, wonderful food, music etc. but feel quite happy about criticising the "west", whereas we are quite used to everyone (including ourselves) insulting our countries.

It seems to me that you are so nationalistic that the view Turkey in the same way as you would your own mother - and god forbid anyone who criticises her.

It sometimes feels like we are trying to discuss important issues with brain-washed radicals, who are more interested in preserving the "good name" of their country, than in honesty and open debate. 

Stop hiding beneath your flags and come out and talk.   Would anyone be here if we didn´t love and were not interested in Turkey?  The message you give us is that Turkey is secretive, paranoid and radical....

 post good news! you are very welcome to do it. We will be all happy to read them. Only person who is ready to be offended will be offended. Reaction to any event or situation is your choice. Choice depends on you.

Don´t feel offended - do smth different, do what you consider correct.

When could we expect good and positives news from you?

I prefer not to talk with you miss WAR. since I saw your attitude in some conversation.

Probably not in the near future. one of the reason is Because I read from Turkish newspapers in Turkish and I am not able to translate properly turkish to english. I dont read Turkish news sites in english because they are not satisfied. they publish old news that happened two week before. and those news are not overall about the subject.
second reason is I am not full time member of this site. I only come this site if a homework submitted.
third reason we are not in a propaganda race. if I would post news or stories, I would be balanced. I would post facts mostly. I wouldnt repeat minor stories to avoid a major one.

 we say that those who can find ability, those who cann´t - excuses.

more deeds, less words! it is nice chance to start doing what you haven´t before? Practice is great teacher, really. With your attitude you would find really interesting, important and outstanding news and topics, because you are not light-weight person...

hi guys

i was thinking about this website turkishclass(learning turkish language)then you must be know turkish language who talking in here i know some people very old memeber for here if you like to learn about turkey then you have to learn direckt turkish newspaper and thats the true which newspaper which is in english these news old i know and i can give you turkishnewspaper link

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/anasayfa/

nobody hidding anything look

I made a note of your name and am sure I will make you eat your words

 gencturk...of course you are free to not talk to Ms. War but wouldn´t it be better to debate these things?  That is what a forum is for.  I don´t alway agree with everyone, but that doesn´t mean I stop posting.  I think you present your side of the arguement well, although I don´t always agree.

Just seen in the news. Justice minister publicly accepted the incident and apologized on behalf of Turkish state and the government. (I think it is the first time ´the state is apologizing´

http://www.radikal.com.tr/Default.aspx?aType=Detay&ArticleID=903307&Date=15.10.2008&CategoryID=77

Özrü kabahatinden büyük ...

This actually not unique to Turks; Aussies hate Brits and everything not belonging to Australia, Belgians, the French, Germans, the Brits are all that way. Therefore, it is wrong to point your fingers at Turks only. That doesn´t mean however, it is good or acceptable... Red necks sometimes have too much weight in the overal picture of a nation. That´s why we can´t have good regimes, properly running democracies, less crime and more freedom.

This last incident reminds me of the darker days of the regime in Turkey. Back in the 80´s police violance was something we were accustomed to. Loathing people with loathing intentions turned an entire decade into a nightmare. What we need is  better educated people; can we get it anytime soon? Well, that would be out of question...  We endured very difficult times in the past, we will certainly face more of it because ignorance has prevailed.

Ýstanbul court bans publishing news reports on torture victim Çeber

A Bakýrköy court yesterday ordered a blackout on news stories concerning the death of alleged torture victim Engin Çeber, an inmate at Metris Prison who died of a brain hemorrhage on Oct. 7 after reportedly being beaten by guards and police officers.

More: http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=157137

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And the idea is: what you forbid to talk/write about does not excist?