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170.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 05 Nov 2008 Wed 11:28 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 you wont complain while you are waxing thehandsom? are you ok with that?

 

 Why would I complain while waxing handsom?  It NEEDS to be done!!!! 

171.       justinetime
1018 posts
 06 Nov 2008 Thu 12:48 am

congratulations for Obama.

 

but there are just a few couple of things, that i worry about.

 

first the Asian market/economy. Obama is against outsourcing work outside US. There is a big chance that he may impose taxes for industries that would want to employ people outside US. Bigger taxes for industries, and companies, means lower income for employees. A lot of developing countries (such as my country, Philippines,  India, etc) depend on industries that employ workers outside of America for a decent amount of income.

 

I work for 2 US based companies. IF a higher tax is imposed, that would mean a lower income for us. They have 2 options, lower our wages, or cut back on manpower.  A lower income is not fit for us, who are already struggling with our economy. our currency is losing against dollar. although we get paid in dollars, which mean a higher exchange rate, prices for food, gas, shelter are getting higher. So the income that we make is not in equilibrium with the bills, and prices we have to pay. If we don´t get satisfied with the income we are getting, there is no point in working for a minimum amount of wage. It is a loss for us, AND the companies that we are working for. Why for the companies? because they had to pay taxes that was imposed to them, and yet they would lose employees that cannot work for minimum wage, or they will not have enough manpower that they need to support their business. a lot of us are becoming anxious,  because our employers are getting anxious on what to expect as well. so i don´t know what will happen about that.

 

although are economies are separate, we are still a global economy. a failure in one economy, will eventually affect the other.

 

another thing is the wealth redistribution. The concept does sound good, from the point of view of those who will receive the money. However, for the people who are working hard to earn the money, and lose a part of the profit they are making to be redistributed to non-working people in society... it doesn´t sound unfair. It is not wrong to help people who are in need. But why take money from other people´s pocket to be given to people who are not even working?

 

How will this wealth redistribution be implied? Again, through taxes. The money that you are working hard for... you will be taxed for it, to be redistributed to people who don´t have work. hmmmm... i dunno what better way to explain it... ok i´ll try to give an example...

 

Let´s try to see it in a simplified form.

 

A girl walks past a homeless guy, carrying a sign saying he needs money. She walks across the street, goes to a restaurant, orders food and pays the bill. The waiter that had worked for her, waiting on her order, serves her food, does every request she makes, is waiting for her to pay the bill, and of course with the expectation of a tip. After all, he worked hard enough for her to be satisfied. But then as she pays the bill, she refuses to give him a tip... why? because she will redistribute the money to the homeless guy that needs it. A noble act from the girls pov, because helping the homeless is a good thing. But what about the waiter who had worked for money? Why should it be his loss, when he is the one working hard for it? that is how wealth redistribution works. at least that´s how i see it.

 

(this actually did happen...the customer didn´t give him a tip because he wanted to give it to the homeless guy waiting outside.  the waiter was really frustrated about it)

 

i have relatives that are immigrants in the US. it´s hard for them to cope with taxes already, and this wealth redistribution.... it just.... sucks...

 

 

Everything that you are working hard for, a part of that will be redistributed to other people. we are all already suffering in an economic crisis as it is, and to be taxed again for it? it´s just too much i think. Wealth redistribution is not the solution.

 

Why not give more job opportunities to support those who don´t have work, and are in need of money, instead of using other people´s income?

 

I´m just speaking from my own personal point of view. my own opinion. how i see it affects me, my country, and my relatives that live in US.

 

but then again... i guess i´ll just have to wait and see what this new regime can bring to all of us...

 

(come to think of it, politicians are notorious for making promises they can´t keep.... hmmm... let´s just wait and see... )

172.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 06 Nov 2008 Thu 01:42 am

 

Quoting justinetime

congratulations for Obama.

but there are just a few couple of things, that i worry about.

first the Asian market/economy. Obama is against outsourcing work outside US. There is a big chance that he may impose taxes for industries that would want to employ people outside US. Bigger taxes for industries, and companies, means lower income for employees. A lot of developing countries (such as my country, Philippines, India, etc) depend on industries that employ workers outside of America for a decent amount of income.

 

And the US depends on companies that are based in the US to hire employees IN the US so that our own people are not losing their jobs, homes and the ability to educate their children.

 

Quoting justinetime

although are economies are separate, we are still a global economy. a failure in one economy, will eventually affect the other.

 

Americans have seen how the outsourcing of the our workforce has impacted our economy. Sorry to say, but this is a time for us to be worrying about our problems….which is usually what other countries seem to want us to do…..or is it only ok if it profits them economically? {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

Quoting justinetime

another thing is the wealth redistribution. The concept does sound good, from the point of view of those who will receive the money. However, for the people who are working hard to earn the money, and lose a part of the profit they are making to be redistributed to non-working people in society... it does sound unfair. It is not wrong to help people who are in need. But why take money from other people´s pocket to be given to people who are not even working?

 

Sounds like you have been inundated with too much political rhetoric from the Republican media. This is a concept that McCain flew with because of one comment by Obama.

According to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, here are the tax savings under McCain’s plan vs. Obama’s plan:

Annual Income                    McCain                            Obama

Over $2.9M                         -$269,364                       +$701,885

$603K and up                     -$45,361                         +$115,974

$227K-$603K                      -$7,871                           +$12

$161K-$227K                      -$4,380                           -$2,789

$112K-$161K                      -$2,614                           -$2,204

$66K-$112K                        -$1,009                           -$1,290

$38K-$66K                          -$319                              -$1,042

$19K-$38K                          -$113                              -$892

Under $19K                         $19                                 -$567

 

Clearly Obama’s plan will help the middle earners of America and raise taxes on the wealthy, who under Republican rule have been privy to all kinds of tax relief.

There is nothing wrong with those that earn more paying more. Not to mention the fact that McCain wanted to tax health benefits for the first time in history.

 

So…which do you think is a better plan?

 

Quoting justinetime

(this actually did happen...the customer didn´t give him a tip because he wanted to give it to the homeless guy waiting outside. the waiter was really frustrated about it)

 

Tips are not guaranteed and should not be expected. The word it is an acronym for “to insure good service”.

Maybe the waiter didn’t deserve the tip that day or maybe last time this customer was in the restaurant, she tipped higher than the standard.

If on that particular day, the customer felt like giving to someone in need….good for them.

 

Quoting justinetime

I´m just speaking from my own personal point of view. my own opinion. how i see it affects me, my country, and my relatives that live in US.

 

It would probably be a great thing if your country worked on their own economic issues instead of depending on the US for it’s citizens to make a living wage.

 

173.       justinetime
1018 posts
 06 Nov 2008 Thu 02:02 am

like the last statement i said... let´s wait and see what this new regime can bring to all of us... i´ll only believe that there will be CHANGE in the Obama regime if it happens...time will tell...

174.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 06 Nov 2008 Thu 02:09 am

 

Quoting justinetime

like the last statement i said... let´s wait and see what this new regime can bring to all of us... i´ll only believe that there will be CHANGE in the Obama regime if it happens...time will tell...

 

 Well one thing is that it is not a regime...it is an administration.  I say this in the kindest way I can......educate yourself on the issues so you can speak to them in a knowledgeable way. 

175.       justinetime
1018 posts
 06 Nov 2008 Thu 02:22 am

 

 

Quoting girleegirl

 Well one thing is that it is not a regime...it is an administration.  I say this in the kindest way I can......educate yourself on the issues so you can speak to them in a knowledgeable way. 

 

ok... if it´s word technicalities...

 

also ré·gime n.

    1. A form of government
    2. A government in power; administration:   <---- (a regime IS an administration)
  1. A prevailing social system or pattern.
  2. The period during which a particular administration or system prevails.

i am an EDUCATED PERSON. just because i don´t agree with your point of view, doesn´t mean i am uneducated.

 

ok... if you think, i NEED... to educate myself more with the issues, or i lack in that department ... i will. and i will try and say this in the kindest way i can... You should also try and work on your diplomatic skills.

 

diplomacy n.

  1. The art or practice of conducting international relations, as in negotiating alliances, treaties, and agreements.
  2. Tact and skill in dealing with people. See synonyms at tact.     <----  (this one... you seem to be lacking in this department)

 

176.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 06 Nov 2008 Thu 02:33 am

 

Quoting justinetime

ok... if it´s word technicalities...

 

also ré·gime n.

    1. A form of government
    2. A government in power; administration:   <---- (a regime IS an administration)
  1. A prevailing social system or pattern.
  2. The period during which a particular administration or system prevails.

i am an EDUCATED PERSON. just because i don´t agree with your point of view, doesn´t mean i am uneducated.

 

ok... if you think, i NEED... to educate myself more with the issues, or i lack in that department ... i will. and i will try and say this in the kindest way i can... You should also try and work on your diplomatic skills.

 

diplomacy n.

  1. The art or practice of conducting international relations, as in negotiating alliances, treaties, and agreements.
  2. Tact and skill in dealing with people. See synonyms at tact.     <----  (this one... you seem to be lacking in this department)

 

Great use of a dictionary! 

I don´t feel the need for diplomacy when the person I am speaking with does not give in kind.  I also don´t feel any need for diplomacy when the person I am speaking with makes statements that they cannot or will not defend upon challenge.

 

Just because I disagree with you does not mean I think you are uneducated in general....but you have not shown that you are knowledgeable in the American political scene.   It was a sincere suggestion.....but you chose to make it inflammatory...that´s your issue.

 

177.       justinetime
1018 posts
 06 Nov 2008 Thu 02:52 am

 

Quoting girleegirl

Great use of a dictionary!

 

thanks....

 

 

I don´t feel the need for diplomacy when the person I am speaking with does not give in kind. 

 

i feel the same way... good thing we agree on that one.

 

 

I also don´t feel any need for diplomacy when the person I am speaking with makes statements that they cannot or will not defend upon challenge.


i refuse to defend my statements to people who have not been diplomatic with their attacks on my statements...

 

Just because I disagree with you does not mean I think you are uneducated in general....but you have not shown that you are knowledgeable in the American political scene. 

 

Some may think i am not knowledgable in the American political scene... such as you, and others as well, who agree with your statements. 


But i´m sure there are people here who think i am well-informed enough, people who agree on my point of view would think so. (thanks for the pm´s)


which is expected...people to take sides based on what they believe in.

 

It was a sincere suggestion.....but you chose to make it inflammatory...that´s your issue.

i´m sorry but i do not detect any sincerity in the previous statement. my issue? ...ok then...

 


178.       CANLI
5084 posts
 06 Nov 2008 Thu 03:04 am

Gals,gals,Obama won...yes ?

Thats step one

Step two....let´s wait and see!

We cant shouldnt argue or fight over something that didnt happened yet ...can should we ?

Mmmm,actually we can...anything can happen in TLC..lol

Let me change it to should {#lang_emotions_lol}

179.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 06 Nov 2008 Thu 03:14 am

 

Quoting justinetime


 

 

Oh please! You haven’t defended your comments because you can’t defend your comments. You posted a video that was inflammatory and got your hackles up when I commented on the video.  I said nothing about you but since you can’t defend your stand you choose to take the stand that you have been personally attacked.  

When you learn to debate an issue without getting your feelings hurt maybe we can chat more.  I´ve wasted enough time with you for now.....

The last word is your cuz I know you will want to take it........

180.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 06 Nov 2008 Thu 03:15 am

 

Quoting CANLI

Gals,gals,Obama won...yes ?

Thats step one

Step two....let´s wait and see!

We cant shouldnt argue or fight over something that didnt happened yet ...can should we ?

Mmmm,actually we can...anything can happen in TLC..lol

Let me change it to should {#lang_emotions_lol}

 

 Sorry mom!  But I was only debating the issues.......is that sooooo wrong????  {#lang_emotions_angel}

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