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The Iraqi Genocide
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1.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 26 Oct 2008 Sun 08:55 am

 

 

Why has not the Turkish parliament given tit for tat and passed a resolution condemning the Iraqi Genocide?

As a result of Bush´s invasion of Iraq, more than one million Iraqis have died, and several millions are displaced persons. The Iraqi death toll and the millions of uprooted Iraqis match the Armenian deaths and deportations. If one is a genocide, so is the other.

It is true that most of the Iraqi deaths have resulted from Iraqis killing one another. But it was Bush´s destruction of the secular Iraqi state that unleashed the sectarian strife.

Moreover, American troops in Iraq have killed more civilians than insurgents. The US military in Iraq has fallen for every bit of disinformation fed to it by Al Qaeda personnel posing as "informants" and by Sunnis setting up Shi´ites and Shi´ites setting up Sunnis. As a result, American bombs and missiles have blown up weddings, funerals, kids playing soccer, and people shopping in bazaars and sleeping in their homes.

Not to be outdone, Bush´s private Waffen SS known as Blackwater Security has taken to gunning Iraqi civilians down in the streets. How do Blackwater and Custer Battles killers escape the "unlawful combatant" designation?

One can only marvel at the insouciance of the US Congress to the current Iraqi Genocide while condemning Turkey for one that happened 90 years ago.

People seldom see the beam in their own eye, only the mote in the eyes of others. Every member of the Bush Regime is busily at work denouncing Iran for causing instability in the Middle East.

Meanwhile, the US has invaded two countries, throwing them into total chaos, while beating the drums for war with Iran and conspiring with Israel to invade Lebanon and to attack Syria.

The indisputable facts are that the US and Israel have attacked four Middle East countries and are determined to attack a fifth. Yet, it is peaceful Iran, at war with no one, that Bush and Israel blame for causing instability in the Middle East.

Not content with its many wars in the Middle East, the Bush Regime is sponsoring wars in Africa and is setting up an African Command. The US government has been bombing and attacking other countries ever since the cold war ended. Instead of peace, the gang in Washington DC chose war.

Other than the Israel Lobby, the greatest supporters of Bush´s wars are Christian evangelicals, specifically the "rapture evangelicals" and the "Christian Zionists."

I remember when Christianity was about saving one´s soul. Today it is about bringing on Armageddon. While the various evangelical Christians preach war in the Middle East, they condemn Islam for being a "warlike religion."

Americans are so full of themselves that they are blind to their extraordinary hypocrisy.

The US government has broken every agreement with Russia by withdrawing from the anti-ballistic missile treaty, pushing NATO to Russia´s borders, conniving to place missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic, and buying governments in former Soviet republics and installing US military bases therein.

When Russian President Putin finally has enough and protests, the US Secretary of State blames Putin for being difficult and restarting the cold war.

Few Americans realize it, but they take the cake.

International polls show that the rest of the world regard the US and Israel as the greatest dangers to world peace. Americans claim that they are fighting wars against terrorism, but it is US and Israeli terrorism that worries everyone else. The rest of the world knows that the wars are about US and Israeli hegemony and that the US and Israel are prepared to engage in whatever acts of terror are necessary to achieve hegemony.

That is the bare fact.

When the US dollar loses its reserve currency status, the US empire will come to an abrupt end. Sooner or later the rest of the world will realize this and, in an act of self-protection, dethrone the dollar.

 


http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts10162007.html

 

 

2.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 26 Oct 2008 Sun 04:13 pm

I agree with your post, and understand the sentiment completely.  However, I am not sure that it can be classed as "genocide" by any legal definition.  I think there are certainly ethical and legal breaches of International law involved, as well as many serious war crimes.  I have always agreed with Kofi Annan, that this "war" is a breach of the United Nations Charter.  Lets all ask ourselves why nothing has been done about it?  What is the point of having a United Nations?  Maybe it is a nice banner for the US to carry when they carry out their world policing?

 

The rest of the article is very interesting.  I tend to agree about the biggest threat coming from Israel and the US.  I think it is hard for much of the west to realise they are also victims of propaganda too - it is something they think only happens in more "repressed" countries.  There is certainly a wideheld belief in the west that the biggest threat to the world comes from Islamic countries, yet there is no substantial proof of this, other than scarmongering headlines in western media.  Yet, any problems that have occured in these countries has mostly been as a result of western interference.

 

Maybe open-minded members will read your post and find it gives them ´food for thought´.  I doubt there will be many.  Unfortunately, both the east and west are fed propaganda on a daily basis - such "fear" of another culture ensures power for both sides over people. 

 

Today we have better communication than ever before, but that very communication which should help break through those man-made barriers is used to further the causes of the powerful. 

 

I dont suppose it will ever end.

3.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 26 Oct 2008 Sun 08:01 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

I agree with your post, and understand the sentiment completely. However, I am not sure that it can be classed as "genocide" by any legal definition. I think there are certainly ethical and legal breaches of International law involved, as well as many serious war crimes. I have always agreed with Kofi Annan, that this "war" is a breach of the United Nations Charter. Lets all ask ourselves why nothing has been done about it? What is the point of having a United Nations? Maybe it is a nice banner for the US to carry when they carry out their world policing?

 

The rest of the article is very interesting. I tend to agree about the biggest threat coming from Israel and the US. I think it is hard for much of the west to realise they are also victims of propaganda too - it is something they think only happens in more "repressed" countries. There is certainly a wideheld belief in the west that the biggest threat to the world comes from Islamic countries, yet there is no substantial proof of this, other than scarmongering headlines in western media. Yet, any problems that have occured in these countries has mostly been as a result of western interference.

 

Maybe open-minded members will read your post and find it gives them ´food for thought´. I doubt there will be many. Unfortunately, both the east and west are fed propaganda on a daily basis - such "fear" of another culture ensures power for both sides over people.

 

Today we have better communication than ever before, but that very communication which should help break through those man-made barriers is used to further the causes of the powerful.

 

I dont suppose it will ever end.

 

I agree with you, but the whole point is this,

Quote:

As a result of Bush´s invasion of Iraq, more than one million Iraqis have died, and several millions are displaced persons. The Iraqi death toll and the millions of uprooted Iraqis match the Armenian deaths and deportations. If one is a genocide, so is the other.

 

 

Of course no one will call it a genocide untill America loses its power.

 

 

4.       Temora
132 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 12:25 am

then Greenland,Burkina faso and others will recognize it  for sure....

5.       azade
1606 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 05:53 pm

Reading "genocide", I thought you were talking about al-Anfal. The invasion of Iraq cannot be classified as genocide, but international laws have probably been broken countless times. And it should never have happened, of course. Have you ever watched Turtles can fly?

6.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 06:32 pm

 

Quoting azade

Reading "genocide", I thought you were talking about al-Anfal. The invasion of Iraq cannot be classified as genocide, but international laws have probably been broken countless times. And it should never have happened, of course. Have you ever watched Turtles can fly?

 

It was again America who supplied Saddam with bio weapons to kill the Kurds. You will not see these facts in those movies though. Have you watched the Kurds` gratitude movie for America(in the form of a tv commercial) for invading Iraq? the Kurdish genocide carried out by Saddam+America has nothing to do with what`s going on in Iraq today, and it doesn`t lessen the importance of other crimes.

7.       azade
1606 posts
 27 Oct 2008 Mon 06:59 pm

My comment was mainly directed towards the difference between genocide and war crimes/invasion/whatever we should call it. I don´t think anybody can say that "the coalition" entered Iraq with the purpose of massmurdering civilians. There has been done some horrible things out of ignorance and general carelessness, but it´s not the same thing.

8.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 30 Oct 2008 Thu 07:34 pm

 

Quoting azade

My comment was mainly directed towards the difference between genocide and war crimes/invasion/whatever we should call it. I don´t think anybody can say that "the coalition" entered Iraq with the purpose of massmurdering civilians. There has been done some horrible things out of ignorance and general carelessness, but it´s not the same thing.

 

i  agree..

Warcrimes and genocide are completely different things.!! (Though in both cases they kill many but by definition they are completely different)

9.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 30 Oct 2008 Thu 07:44 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

i agree..

Warcrimes and genocide are completely different things.!! (Though in both cases they kill many but by definition they are completely different)

 

oh really? why do they (and you) call the armenian deportation a genocide then? there was no attempt of mass murder in this case either.

10.       Temora
132 posts
 30 Oct 2008 Thu 08:52 pm

My Azerbaijan friends talk about Azerbaijcan genocide..providing me with suitable links..blaming Armenians...live still under threat of losing independance((((

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