Look Canli, you can become a mod but you can not rely on your own reasoning because you are an Egyptian, in the end. Consider selling your soul, estranging yourself from your own country and taking up the British or American flag; should you survive other official limitations applicable to aliens, you can become a countess of your own egos peeking fun at those who remained at home, from your new upgraded world.

look, mr perfect patriot, im gonna rush to tell you that there millions and millions of your countrymen kissing american british flags. how come so many traitors? i feel absolutely wonderful being here, having freedom and going through the mentality change, while you or canli dont have it.

One must be independent from the influence of others when making decisions based on universal facts. If the actions of a mod can so easily be undone by site owner, all that he/she can defend are the rights of a certain interest group who are close to that site owner. I consider moderation largely ineffective and useless if practiced the way it is here.

i dont need any mod protecting me. only weak ones need protection.

As for the claims made by some Western members about what is offensive and what is not. Many a foreign person thinks he/she is the only one from where she comes. To put the record straight, having lived with them in our cities and through business or cultural links, many of us know the fundamental values of Western civilization -ourselves being a part of it in many regards. We know that the threshold of rudeness is not necessarily as high as they want to make it appear to be. On the contrary, I know that people of polite manners who set an example to others are always more cautious, more thoughtful and more liberal in their appreciation of other cultures. This is not something unique to say Turkish or Egyptian culture; it is a universal tendency.

you are a good fairy teller

It is possible to base our evaluation on those people who scold foreign service personnel at gas stations saying "Learn English idiot!"

i would also say to anyone so if i want him/her to make better communication with the world.

(the rest i will respond soon)

or those pissing on Islam´s holy book, calling Mohammad names, the Neo Nazists in Germany etc. It is also perfectly possible to evaluate this based on everyday dialogues among workers at the coffe machine. Nevertheless, what we are talking about here is quite different; it is something that should not be taken so light-heartedly. We need to open that little book entitled ETHIC RULES and read it. You may be surprized to find out that you are differing from the educated opinion when you claim "We Brits say this about Americans" and vice versa. 

I recommend that you should try to open your eyes and minds to a different kind of world whose values can be respected without violating yours all that much...

As for the claims made by some Western members about what is offensive and what is not. Many a foreign person thinks he/she is the only one from where she comes. To put the record straight, having lived with them in our cities and through business or cultural links, many of us know the fundamental values of Western civilization -ourselves being a part of it in many regards. We know that the threshold of rudeness is not necessarily as high as they want to make it appear to be. On the contrary, I know that people of polite manners who set an example to others are always more cautious, more thoughtful and more liberal in their appreciation of other cultures. This is not something unique to say Turkish or Egyptian culture; it is a universal tendency.

It is possible to base our evaluation on those people who scold foreign service personnel at gas stations saying "Learn English idiot!" or those pissing on Islam´s holy book, calling Mohammad names, the Neo Nazists in Germany etc. It is also perfectly possible to evaluate this based on everyday dialogues among workers at the coffe machine. Nevertheless, what we are talking about here is quite different; it is something that should not be taken so light-heartedly. We need to open that little book entitled ETHIC RULES and read it. You may be surprized to find out that you are differing from the educated opinion when you claim "We Brits say this about Americans" and vice versa. 

I recommend that you should try to open your eyes and minds to a different kind of world whose values can be respected without violating yours all that much...

 This is a very venomous post from you Vineyards as it appears to be directed at "Brits" in particular - which I do not feel we deserve from you.

Frankly, I do not feel that anyone needs a lesson from you in ethics and good manners.  Do you HONESTLY believe that we would talk to people we do not know in the manner you describe?  And how dare you infer that anyone here is uneducated.

I was of the mistaken belief that we are not strangers on this site, but that we all knew eachother pretty well by now.  When I joke to Americans, they are AWARE I am joking and they know I would never say such a thing unless I knew them well enough to feel comfortable in my mind that they would not take offense.

However, due to the unbelievable chaos and uproar over some pretty unfair moderating, and noting your angry comments. I will ensure that I treat all members as strangers, not friends in future and with the politeness I would extend to strangers.

In addition,I would, just ONCE, like to point out that for years we have had constant complaints from Turkish (and other eastern country´s) members that we never say anything "nice about Turkey or the east" (which is actually untrue).  I would ask you to consider the thought that I have yet to see a post from any of those people which says anything "nice" about the west!  Maybe they don´t see it, because they prefer to be victims.

Finally, this forum is the only place I have frequently read the dividing term "east" and "west" and I believe it orignates in the main from "eastern" members.  You have alienated us, and then you complain of discrimination.  You feel Femme´s comments too harsh and impolite, but she is actually unique in her defamatory comments about you (and actually is from the "east"!!!!).  Such comments about the "west" coming from Turkish members are far more common, harsh and impolite and do not stem from one member only.

 This is a very venomous post from you Vineyards as it appears to be directed at "Brits" in particular - which I do not feel we deserve from you.

Frankly, I do not feel that anyone needs a lesson from you in ethics and good manners.  Do you HONESTLY believe that we would talk to people we do not know in the manner you describe?  And how dare you infer that anyone here is uneducated.

I was of the mistaken belief that we are not strangers on this site, but that we all knew eachother pretty well by now.  When I joke to Americans, they are AWARE I am joking and they know I would never say such a thing unless I knew them well enough to feel comfortable in my mind that they would not take offense.

However, due to the unbelievable chaos and uproar over some pretty unfair moderating, and noting your angry comments. I will ensure that I treat all members as strangers, not friends in future and with the politeness I would extend to strangers.

In addition,I would, just ONCE, like to point out that for years we have had constant complaints from Turkish (and other eastern country´s) members that we never say anything "nice about Turkey or the east" (which is actually untrue).  I would ask you to consider the thought that I have yet to see a post from any of those people which says anything "nice" about the west!  Maybe they don´t see it, because they prefer to be victims.

Finally, this forum is the only place I have frequently read the dividing term "east" and "west" and I believe it orignates in the main from "eastern" members.  You have alienated us, and then you complain of discrimination.  You feel Femme´s comments too harsh and impolite, but she is actually unique in her defamatory comments about you (and actually is from the "east"!!!!).  Such comments about the "west" coming from Turkish members are far more common, harsh and impolite and do not stem from one member only.

 "East & West "

Up to now I have stayed out of this but here are my two cents…..

Everybody wants to be the victim here. We all give as good as we get. We are all guilty, at times, of saying things that could be considered offensive. Get over it. Is it really necessary to go on and on for days?

Ohhh my post was deleted - I’m so upset! Ohhh my eastern ways were offended - I’m so upset!  It just keeps going back and forth………until someone gets pissed enough to ask to be deleted again. These arguments get so old!

It’s hard for me to understand why anyone would get so riled up over something someone here says! You don’t know these people…they don’t know you….so how can you take things so personally? There are REAL issues in the world to worry about!