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10.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 07:48 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 I see. I feel all life should be treated with respect and compassion, weather I recognize it´s language or not. That book I linked to gives shows some very interesting research on that matter.

 

One of the more depressing aspects of being "alive" is that things die (some would say are transformed) so we live. How to balance that is a concern for some.

 

 Of course I agree all life should be treated with respect Alameda.  If you truly believe plants to be sentient, then I assume you do not prune or weed your garden?

 

Let´s put things in perspective eh?  Watch the video of the link I posted above, and then tell me if plants suffer in this way?!

11.       TheAenigma
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 21 Nov 2008 Fri 07:53 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 

One of the more depressing aspects of being "alive" is that things die (some would say are transformed) so we live. How to balance that is a concern for some.

 

 I dont find it depressing -  it is the natural way of life.  However, if we want to eat meat, we should ensure that animals are treated with respect and live as natural life as possible while they are alive.  In the wild, animals live in a natural environment and are killed and kill.  We farm insensively, keeping animals in cramped and horrible conditions and give them severe stress before they die.

12.       alameda
3499 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 08:07 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Of course I agree all life should be treated with respect Alameda.  If you truly believe plants to be sentient, then I assume you do not prune or weed your garden?

 

Let´s put things in perspective eh?  Watch the video of the link I posted above, and then tell me if plants suffer in this way?!

 

 Of course, it´s a matter of how things are done. Is it with compassion and respect, or wanton, mindless, careless consumption?  

 

When you note how difficult it is for us here on TLC to communicate, it´s no wonder communication with other forms of life are misunderstood.

 

It was not long ago that Blacks in the US were not even considered human, thus they could be enslaved.  

 

As for the video link, did you look at the Propostition 2  recently passed in CA?

 

Anyway...it´s something to think about. Since I read The Secret Life of Plants, my consumption habits have changed.

13.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 08:09 pm

Working in botany, I have yet to find anyone in the field who agrees with the all the findings in "The Secret Life of Plants", and the evidence and the manner in which it was collected, is very unscientific.

 

It was a very popular book, but most eminent botanists describe it is psuedo-science.

 

As Dr. David Hershey said:-

 

I was not aware there was a video but the experiment you describe is
detailed in the #1 bestselling book of that title by Peter Tompkins and
Christopher Bird. It also contains a lot of other botanical pseudoscience
as does its less successful sequel, Secrets of the Soil. The supposed
beneficial effect of some types of music on plant growth even inspired
Stevie Wonder to release an album of music to grow plants by! Art Galston
wrote a rebuttal to the Secret Life of Plants book titled "The
unscientific method" (1974. Natural History 83(3):18,21,24).

Most of that type of botanical pseudoscientific research was later tried
by actual plant scientists, who could not confirm the results. I do not
believe a lot of it was published because it represented negative results
that would not look too good on the resume of a legitimate scientist. A
1990 Cell article 60:357-364 reported no effect of music on mRNA changes
that could be induced by touching the plant, Arabidopsis.

Pseudoscience is a good topic to add interest to botany classes. A
close-to-pseudoscience theory is hydrotropism, which most college
textbooks say does not exist but precollege biology books say is valid.
See Hershey, D.R. 1992. Is hydrotropism all wet? Science Activities
29(2):20-24.

14.       alameda
3499 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 08:16 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 I dont find it depressing -  it is the natural way of life.  However, if we want to eat meat, we should ensure that animals are treated with respect and live as natural life as possible while they are alive.  In the wild, animals live in a natural environment and are killed and kill.  We farm insensively, keeping animals in cramped and horrible conditions and give them severe stress before they die.

 

 I agree 100%! That´s why I voted yes on Proposition 2. Although I eat meat on ocassion, I only purchase that which has been farmed in a humane manner....and when I grow my veggies....I treat them very nice {#lang_emotions_angel} and try to protect them from predators.

15.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 08:18 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 I agree 100%! That´s why I voted yes on Proposition 2. Although I eat meat on ocassion, I only purchase that which has been farmed in a humane manner....and when I grow my veggies....I treat them very nice {#lang_emotions_angel} and try to protect them from predators.

 

 Why do you keep repeating your links?  Are you trying to hypnotise me?  Perhaps you think I dont read them?

 

I am very pleased to see that Proposition 2 has received such a huge vote.  It is wonderful news.  I see nothing about animal transportation there, but hopefully you have legislation about the maximum time that animals can be transported?

16.       alameda
3499 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 08:32 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 Why do you keep repeating your links?  Are you trying to hypnotise me?  Perhaps you think I dont read them?

 

I am very pleased to see that Proposition 2 has received such a huge vote.  It is wonderful news.  I see nothing about animal transportation there, but hopefully you have legislation about the maximum time that animals can be transported?

 

 are you getting sleepy....{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}....

 

I repeat them not for you, but for any who may enter late.

 

I have two cats to whom I try to feed raw meat with some regularity. It´s interesting to notice the difference in their activity when they are fed raw meat. They seem to get more "animal" after eating it.

17.       libralady
5152 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 10:04 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

I would not normally comment on this, but as you have lectured this forum on "respectfulness",I find your laughing at something I feel very strongly about offensive. I am sure someone as "respectful" as you would never say the same about muslims being "afflicted with not eating pork".   I am not against people eating meat, but I will refuse to eat it until the way we farm animals changes.  If that causes inconvenience at your dinner parties, so be it.

 

"Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things,

Man will not himself find peace."

Albert Schweitzer
How true...

 

 Now where is your sense of humour?  Anyway, I was replying to Bod not you and he is not insulted {#lang_emotions_you_crazy}

18.       libralady
5152 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 10:05 pm

 

Quoting bod

Tonight is birthday meal time - we are having Japanese

However, we nearly did something rather embarrassing. I showed the menu to Les (my gf) to make sure it was suitable for those afflicted with vegitarianism and it was. However I didn´t realise that there are two Japanese restraunts in Manchester and I showed her the menu for the one in Castlefield not the one in ChinaTown.......

So we very nearly booked a table for the one in Castlefiend and then turned up at the one in Chinatown - that would not have been a good plan at all. But fortunately we realised before ringing up to book.

 

 Oh dear Bod, what have I / we started {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

19.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 10:13 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 Oh dear Bod, what have I / we started {#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

 

Here we go again with that innocent "ouh look how everyone jumps on the slightest thing" act.

Of course you had no need to apologise to Bod, as you were (rather excessively) laughing about his joke regarding vegetarians.  I would not normally bother to reply, had it not been for your remarks about learning "respect".

 

20.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 21 Nov 2008 Fri 10:17 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 Now where is your sense of humour?  Anyway, I was replying to Bod not you and he is not insulted {#lang_emotions_you_crazy}

 

 Am waiting for clarification from Catwoman as to whether using a smiley which says "you are crazy" is the same as saying "you are paranoid" as both imply mental illness.

 

I find this post very rude actually (even without the smiley).

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