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War and the small nations
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10.       cedars
235 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 06:44 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 

if we talk in a metaphorical manner he could put it a better way. but he didnt show his brilliance.

 

First time I hear someone call Gibran not brilliant. The only one who didnt like his writings as far as I know was the church

Of course everyone is entitled to his opinion.

 

thats not true. i think you have a complex of a victim.

Keeping in mind that this story was written way before the existence of the state of Israel, so as you say the complex of victim hypothesis doesnt apply.

A great book to read though on this subject by Avraham Burg, former knesset president and Tsahal lieutenant, "the holocaust is over we must rise from its ashes". He clearly says that the jews have the victim complex.

 

this metaphore actually fits israel not lebanon. because arabs have the whole middle and cant stand a little tiny state of israel and attacked israel together with powerful russia.

As for the middle east problem, powerful Russia and powerful USA had a big role during the war you mention and the tiny little Israel you talk about has nuclear weapons with the blessing of the US whereas the surrounding countries do not.

thats again not true, you can and should do something, you should educate yourself, built a better shelter (speaking metaphorically), create and invent, develop a better way of self-defence. but i dont think that you have a base to do so, you prefer to sit back and cry and moan and accuse all around.

 

I dont know why you brought education into this, I dont think we can call small nations uneducated just because they are small and powerless and their resources is limited. To give the lebanese example, lebanese are well educated and the rate of literacy (adult and youth above 15) is 88.3 (http://hdrstats.undp.org/indicators/3.html)

There is some work still to be done but 88% is not negligeable.

 

The two phrases, "Self defense" and "accuse all around" are a bit contradictory no?

 

Anyways, if we sit and moan we are accused of being very weak, uneducated and have no base to create, invent, and for self defense  and if we fight back with the limited resources we have we are called terrorists! what a dilemna!

May be if we just vanish from this earth it will make you happy

 

 

i dont think lebanon was always powerless small country. it stopped being what it was after you all-tolerant invited palestinians and invented hezbollah.

 

I wish what you say was true. Lebanon was always under either occupation or mandate or supervision of other countries.

 

The only short period of time we had a true independence was during "emir Fakhreddine" rule and later the ottomans raised an army to restore order in lebanon and fakhreddine  was hanged.

 So Lebanon was always annexed either to the surrounding countries or under ottoman rule or french mandate. Even after what we call independence we had couple of years of peace before the inevitable civil war started of course fueled by foreign countries. The root cause of war is the discriminating law that favors one religeous group over the others. Injustice brings wars.

So our problem  goes  back way before before palestinians and hizballa.

 

inally If i were to choose between being the eagle or the sheep I would  choose the peaceful sheep, may be they are not smart but they are peaceful.

 

 

11.       femmeous
2642 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 09:30 pm

 

Quoting cedars

 

 

First time I hear someone call Gibran not brilliant.

well, you know, you always learn there are other opinions

The only one who didnt like his writings as far as I know was the church

interesting, there are not many people who think like me what church? there are many churches.

Of course everyone is entitled to his opinion.

thank you.

 

Keeping in mind that this story was written way before the existence of the state of Israel, so as you say the complex of victim hypothesis doesnt apply.

but it seems it still applies, seeing what he wrote and seeing what you write. your sorrow resembles the sorrow of many iranians who now miss the days of pahlavi.

A great book to read though on this subject by Avraham Burg, former knesset president and Tsahal lieutenant, "the holocaust is over we must rise from its ashes". He clearly says that the jews have the victim complex.

yes, they do. i dont deny it. thats understandable after what they got through nearly 5 thousands years of their existance as israelis.

 

As for the middle east problem, powerful Russia and powerful USA had a big role during the war you mention and the tiny little Israel you talk about has nuclear weapons with the blessing of the US whereas the surrounding countries do not.

when egypt (with the help of russia), syria, jordan and decided attacked israel USA stayed away, because russians told them if they were involving into this war russians will fully engage which may result in 3rd world war, therefore they left israel to itself to win the war.

i dont mind israel possessing the nuclear weapon due to their location where they are surrounded by wolves who are ready to jump on anytime.

 

I dont know why you brought education into this, I dont think we can call small nations uneducated just because they are small and powerless and their resources is limited. To give the lebanese example, lebanese are well educated and the rate of literacy (adult and youth above 15) is 88.3 (http://hdrstats.undp.org/indicators/3.html)

There is some work still to be done but 88% is not negligeable.

its not only lebanon i had on mind. even when you bring the statistics i dont think lebanese are greatly educated since we havent seen any bright lebanese scientist contributing to humankind.

 

The two phrases, "Self defense" and "accuse all around" are a bit contradictory no?

but you can always self-defend blaming everyone around for what you have.

you should take an example from jews, they go on no matter what, they even stopped crying and moaning, theres no way back, no matter how arabs will threaten them, they will be, and their economy will grow. look at israel, despite they were constantly attacked they are blooming, the land that once was empty and abandoned today is blooming and the only democracy in the middle east.

 

Anyways, if we sit and moan we are accused of being very weak, uneducated and have no base to create, invent, and for self defense  and if we fight back with the limited resources we have we are called terrorists! what a dilemna!

May be if we just vanish from this earth it will make you happy

oh, baby, dont cry. you have no good foundation but you can still grow powerful economically through education.

theres no war between you and israel and why should you fight back? make peace, restore the trade and education relationships with israel, and i can gurantee that you will succeed.

but if you sti back and take revenge with your limited arms then you will go nowhere.

 

  

I wish what you say was true. Lebanon was always under either occupation or mandate or supervision of other countries.

 

The only short period of time we had a true independence was during "emir Fakhreddine" rule and later the ottomans raised an army to restore order in lebanon and fakhreddine  was hanged.

 So Lebanon was always annexed either to the surrounding countries or under ottoman rule or french mandate. Even after what we call independence we had couple of years of peace before the inevitable civil war started of course fueled by foreign countries. The root cause of war is the discriminating law that favors one religeous group over the others. Injustice brings wars.

So our problem  goes  back way before before palestinians and hizballa.

 

inally If i were to choose between being the eagle or the sheep I would  choose the peaceful sheep, may be they are not smart but they are peaceful.

i dont think french mandate was bad. it helped you to become more civilized, like british colony pulled egypt out of backwardness, but they threw brits out of the country just because of their pride. as soon as brits left egypt returned to its backwardness.

12.       alameda
3499 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 10:00 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 

i dont think french mandate was bad. it helped you to become more civilized, like british colony pulled egypt out of backwardness, but they threw brits out of the country just because of their pride. as soon as brits left egypt returned to its backwardness.

 

 Yes, what a wonderful legacy they left. Honestly ms. femmeous...I don´t know how you can argue about Khalil Gibran. He was one of the most distinguished writers of all time. His works inspire millions of people to live peaceful lives.

 

French...with their how many years of civilization?....as compared to the many thousands of years of documented historic contributions of the peoples of Lebanon...aka Phoenicia....the Phoenician alphabet, which predated Hebrew.

13.       kafesteki kush
104 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 10:14 pm

Personally,I consider Gibran as  an ingenious one.He inspired flower children in 60´s ))),philosophers and spiritual writers as well

well,tragic writer  and painter.His paintings are unclenched,showing the beauty of human´s body,a bit controversial for prudish ones {#lang_emotions_wink} but incredible.

And the fact that he was faithful to his real love  Merry Haskel,although they could not be together,she took big part of his life being his support in his bad times and his muse.

His love letters are stunning{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

14.       femmeous
2642 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 10:16 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 Yes, what a wonderful legacy they left. Honestly ms. femmeous...I don´t know how you can argue about Khalil Gibran. He was one of the most distinguished writers of all time. His works inspire millions of people to live peaceful lives.

well, alameda, you see what you want to see. i have nothing against gibran. i just gave my opinion on what cedars posted here. i dont care if he inspires thousands or millions. the number doesnt impress me, alameda.

 

French...with their how many years of civilization?....as compared to the many thousands of years of documented historic contributions of the peoples of Lebanon...aka Phoenicia....the Phoenician alphabet, which predated Hebrew.

do you have any idea of what you babbling again? what does phonecians have to do with lebanese like copts have to do with egyptians?

those civilizations were far long ago and i cant relate them to nowadays nations or ethnities. most of them are gone covered with dust and sand. lebanese who live today knew nothing about their ancient history until western archeologists dropped by and excavated things out.

thank you for the links though, i dont have an internet and i dont know how to search, if not you, alameda i would probably stay blind and uneducated.

 

 

15.       libralady
5152 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 10:33 pm

 

Quoting kafesteki kush

 Cedars ,you do not know women like femme at all

 to impress  her you need to chose and advocate  stronger piece of literature{#lang_emotions_lol_fast}

Gibran can make her drop out of school{#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

Impossible! 

16.       kafesteki kush
104 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 10:53 pm

 

Quoting libralady

Impossible! 

 

 Oh,Libra why don´t you give him a chance{#lang_emotions_lol}?

17.       alameda
3499 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 11:02 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

do you have any idea of what you babbling again? what does phonecians have to do with lebanese like copts have to do with egyptians?

those civilizations were far long ago and i cant relate them to nowadays nations or ethnities. most of them are gone covered with dust and sand. lebanese who live today knew nothing about their ancient history until western archeologists dropped by and excavated things out.

thank you for the links though, i dont have an internet and i dont know how to search, if not you, alameda i would probably stay blind and uneducated.

 

 Civilizations evolve and devolve...the human population stays and also evolve and intermarry, but the foundation remains....unless the people are exterminated or driven away. Even then, it´s almost impossible to totally eradicate a people.

 

As for staying blind and uneducated, I´m so pleased to be of some help in that arena.

 

 

18.       femmeous
2642 posts
 28 Jan 2009 Wed 11:37 pm

 

Quoting alameda

 Civilizations evolve and devolve...the human population stays and also evolve and intermarry, but the foundation remains....unless the people are exterminated or driven away. Even then, it´s almost impossible to totally eradicate a people.

 

As for staying blind and uneducated, I´m so pleased to be of some help in that arena.

 

 i think you often write things you dont fully understand. yes civilizations come and go. humans stay, but they have no link to the past except for the historical evidences like scrolls or remains of their existence.

as i have said those who today live in the land of egypt have nothing to do with copts who built piramides and lebanese have nothing to do with phonecians. why do i state so? because they have nothing common with them, they dont speak the same language, the dont eat the same food, they dont practise the same religion. the link was lost. end of story.

but i doubt if you understand such simple things.

 

19.       CANLI
5084 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 12:24 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 i think you often write things you dont fully understand. yes civilizations come and go. humans stay, but they have no link to the past except for the historical evidences like scrolls or remains of their existence.

as i have said those who today live in the land of egypt have nothing to do with copts who built piramides and lebanese have nothing to do with phonecians. why do i state so? because they have nothing common with them, they dont speak the same language, the dont eat the same food, they dont practise the same religion. the link was lost. end of story.

but i doubt if you understand such simple things.

 

 Pharaohs you mean !

Honestly femmeous, i think you dont know what you are talking about

You just heard some info from here and there then adding some flavour of yours.

Copts didnt build any pyramids, as you may know Pharaohs werent copts, and they goes long way back before Christianity

By the time that Christianity reached Egypt, Egypt was under foreign rullers, and been ruled for many many years

So pyramids time was long time over.

Adding to that ...

We do have many words that we use in our language from Pharaohs time

We do have many food from that time we still eat.

We do celebrate some events too till now.

Ýts our heritage....our culture

But i dont expect you would understand this.

20.       alameda
3499 posts
 29 Jan 2009 Thu 12:30 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 i think you often write things you dont fully understand. yes civilizations come and go. humans stay, but they have no link to the past except for the historical evidences like scrolls or remains of their existence.

as i have said those who today live in the land of egypt have nothing to do with copts who built piramides and lebanese have nothing to do with phonecians. why do i state so? because they have nothing common with them, they dont speak the same language, the dont eat the same food, they dont practise the same religion. the link was lost. end of story.

but i doubt if you understand such simple things.

 

 Actually, you are, as usual, wrong....

 

"Blood typing and DNA sampling on ancient Egyptian mummies is scant; however, blood typing of dynastic mummies found ABO frequencies to be most similar to modern Egyptians..."

 

and....

 

"Analyses of the Y chromosomal data revealed the presence of at least seven related genetic lineages from places around the Mediterranean Sea where Phoenicians had lived.

These lineages suggest that the Phoenicians contributed their genes to at least six percent of the modern populations of historic Phoenician trading outposts.

"Our findings suggest that the Phoenicians left behind a genetic legacy that persists till modern times," Tyler-Smith said."

 

 

and on Jewish DNA

 

The earlier study, led by Dr. Michael Hammer of University of Arizona, showed from an analysis of the male, or Y chromosome, that Jewish men from seven communities were related to one another and to present-day Palestinian and Syrian populations, but not to the men of their host communities.

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