okay...I won´t back pedal....I was just trying to be nice with my response.

First, I do believe it is a choice...not an order. I believe God gave women a very strong nature and abilities to do things and a very smart brain and then asked them to submit to man. But that "submission" (I prefer to say honor and respect) goes both ways!! I don´t understand how submitting to each other and honoring each other are different. When you submit yourself to another person, are you not honoring them? It is an essential ingredient in relationships (I think). Sara submitted herself to Abraham (even calling him Lord) I Peter 3:5,6. I´m not advising anyone to call their husbands Lord!!!! That would be a little weird!

I guess how I should have answered that question is I believe we (men and women and people in general) should "submit" (there´s that word again....) to each other. To me that means honor, respect and preferring each other above the other.

Now I´m a bit confused, I need to go back and see what I said that made you feel like I was back pedalling ....

 I will reply provided that SUi does not come galloping back with his white horse to "defend" you.

You just don´t see it!!!! You are saying that God asked women to submit - but that it goes both ways????  This implies that he asked men to submit too (which of course he didn´t .... because the Bible was written by men).  You keep back-tracking saying that its a two way thing blah blah, but then you repeat that "women should submit to men" and quote a bit of your Bible, which YET AGAIN only shows the woman submitting.  Where is the proof of the "mutual" thing you keep trying to tell us about?

 I sold my white horse  economical crisis

 Ohhhh no!!!  How will you ever get back to Turkey then? 

 On the back of a donkey? (Borrowed from PT?)

I Peter 2:13-17 "Be subject for the Lord´s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil...For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for eveil, but living as servants of God, Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor..."

By saying that women should submit to men and then saying men should submit to women I don´t think I´m back pedalling because God says to do these things: God says to the man- "Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman....since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." I Peter 3:7    and  Ephesians 5:25 - 33 "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her...in the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church...Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband."

I´d say that if a man truly loves his wife as himself that in order to do that, he would have to honor her just as much as he honors himself.

Submission is a funny word and here it seems rather relative word....what´s submission to one seems to be slavery to another! I never looked at the word submission as "slavery" YUCK!! NO WAY!! But to me, submission of one human being to another is a high form of honor!!

Sorry but I really HATE to see passages from any "holy" book

Well, I think that you will find that the meaning is that men should honour and treat equal other men, but women must be submissive.  If you like to follow a book written thousands of years ago to the letter, then I suggest you also acquire some slaves and a donkey...

If "God" had truly written the Bible - why has he not done a more up to date version which is more relevant to modern society?

 No comment.

Anyway, it was nice discussing theology with you Kiara

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