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bod
5992 posts

06 May 2006 Sat 07:13 pm

Quoting Meriem:

I'm loosing my head!!

There are a lot of rules!! I preffer be a baby and my mother and father teachme!!

Yes - I am totally confused now

Everytinme I think I understand something I realise that it gets so much more complicated and I am getting very frustrated - I guess what I need is to be exposed to some Turkish speakers but I am having to learn using nothing but text books and this site

51.

Lyndie
969 posts

06 May 2006 Sat 08:00 pm

First of all, this is a great thread.

Secondly, Bod, do some research and find a Turkish group near where you live and insinuate yourself into their midst, you can make some great friends and everyone will want to talk to you because there is nothing a turk likes more than helping someone learn Turkish.

Thirdly, what the hell is menemen?

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bod
5992 posts

06 May 2006 Sat 10:46 pm

Quoting Lyndie:

Secondly, Bod, do some research and find a Turkish group near where you live and insinuate yourself into their midst, you can make some great friends and everyone will want to talk to you because there is nothing a turk likes more than helping someone learn Turkish.

I have tried that - but cannot find any Turkish groups anywhere near here

If I could afford it I would spend a day or two per week in London as there are a couple of active Turkish groups there - but they seem to be the only ones in the country.......

53.

bod
5992 posts

06 May 2006 Sat 11:47 pm

Quoting erdinc:

If you want to be more formal "alır mısınız?" or "alır mıydınız?" is better.

Why would you put the question in the past tense ???

54.

erdinc
2151 posts

07 May 2006 Sun 01:47 am

Quoting bod:

Quoting erdinc:

If you want to be more formal "alır mısınız?" or "alır mıydınız?" is better.

Why would you put the question in the past tense ???

Hi Bod,
The formal offerings "alır mısınız?" and "alır mıydınız?" are both second person plural. This is why they are more formal.

1. (Sen) Bir çay daha alır mısın?
2. (Siz) Bir çay daha alır mısınız?
3. (Sen) Bir çay daha alır mıydın?
4. (Siz) Bir çay daha alır mıydınız?

Both 2 and 4 are polite offerings. 1 and 3 are informal. You need to be at the same age or older and at the same time close to that person to speak in "sen" mood.

Lets assume we have only "siz" mood (plural second person) and different tenses. Lets's compare them:

On reply 45 I mentioned that present continuous tense was possible but was too weak for offerings.

5. Bir çay daha istiyor musunuz?
6. Bir çay daha ister misiniz?
7. Bir çay daha ister miydiniz?

These sentences are all correct. Among them number 5 is the weakest. 6 and 7 are very well build and 7 is more polite than 6. Why is this so? Because aorist tense with past tense mood is fictional. The person who is offering is indifferent on 7. You leave it completely up to the guest. On the other hand on number 6 you are more kind of happy to serve.

My suggestion is to forget about all these details. If you study Turkish grammar rules you might end up learning more rules than a mathematics professor would learn during his studies. Dialogues and reading texts are are the way to follow.

When you read a dialogue or any other text I would say if you understand it 50% then continue with other dialogues and never study any grammar. But check the dictionary as many times as you want.

There are some dialogues in our practice forum.

55.

bod
5992 posts

10 May 2006 Wed 10:55 am

Floss, buraya gel!

Floss, come here!

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