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1.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 02:52 pm

Stuart Jeffries of Guardian, writes about the subject, comparing Muslim women with their Western conterparts....No difference as far as freeom is concerned. Wink

 

"........ For Hegel this is not real freedom, because our wants and desires are determined by society. By those lights, a Western fashion victim is as much a sartorial prisoner as a woman in a burqa. By real freedom Hegel meant not doing whatever one wants but having freedom from societal conditioning by using reason. If you meet someone who manages to be really free in this sense send me their names so we can celebrate their escape.......".

 

What he fails to realize is that Burqas also follow a fashion of their own...Believe it or not !



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2.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 05:42 pm

Stuart Jeffries of Guardian, writes about the subject, comparing Muslim women with their Western conterparts....No difference as far as freeom is concerned.

 

prepostrous. one has to be ideologically blinded or stupid to arrive at this conclusion. You crazy?

3.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 06:29 pm

I agree... firstly I think it´s wrong to talk about "the Western woman" and "the Muslim woman"... what about the Western Muslims? And are there no vast differences within different Muslim countries or communities, and within Western countries?

 

Secondly I am conducting some research now one freedom for women in different cultures, and to say a fashion victim is as much a victim as somebody who is denied the freedom to leave her house on her own account in the clothes she wants to wear, to do what she wants to do...it´s crazy.

4.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 06:40 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I agree... firstly I think it´s wrong to talk about "the Western woman" and "the Muslim woman"... what about the Western Muslims? And are there no vast differences within different Muslim countries or communities, and within Western countries?

 

Secondly I am conducting some research now one freedom for women in different cultures, and to say a fashion victim is as much a victim as somebody who is denied the freedom to leave her house on her own account in the clothes she wants to wear, to do what she wants to do...it´s crazy.

 

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5.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 07:23 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I agree... firstly I think it´s wrong to talk about "the Western woman" and "the Muslim woman"... what about the Western Muslims? And are there no vast differences within different Muslim countries or communities, and within Western countries?

 

Secondly I am conducting some research now one freedom for women in different cultures, and to say a fashion victim is as much a victim as somebody who is denied the freedom to leave her house on her own account in the clothes she wants to wear, to do what she wants to do...it´s crazy.

You definitely need friends to call a day in advance before they visit you at home,  if women of your house are free to roam around as they wish, in clothes that they like, perhapa without any clothes at all when they feel like it.....how is that for crazy?

 

6.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 07:31 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Stuart Jeffries of Guardian, writes about the subject, comparing Muslim women with their Western conterparts....No difference as far as freeom is concerned.

 

prepostrous. one has to be ideologically blinded or stupid to arrive at this conclusion. You crazy?

 

I totally agree with you. Why dont we sue Hegel and  Stuart Jeffries, together?



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7.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 08:14 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

I totally agree with you. Why dont we sue Hegel and  Stuart Jeffries, together?

 

Let´s start with not quoting them.

8.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 28 Jun 2009 Sun 02:03 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

You definitely need friends to call a day in advance before they visit you at home,  if women of your house are free to roam around as they wish, in clothes that they like, perhapa without any clothes at all when they feel like it.....how is that for crazy?

 

 

 Well, if I want to walk naked within my own house, why not It´s MY house right? I just think it´s silly to see Muslim men wearing very sexy clothes, thight jeans, thight shirts, the newest hairstyles, spending a LOT of many on hairgel...walking with their Muslim wive, fully covered in a black robe, in the smoldering heat! I don´t go on the street naked Don´t worry. I CHOOSE to cover myself in a way that I feel comfortable. But short shorts are always good when it´s 40 degrees, right

9.       teaschip
3870 posts
 28 Jun 2009 Sun 09:47 pm

I guess Alpha never heard about the customs in the Netherlands and the U.S. on how women vaccum naked...Big smile

10.       lessluv
1052 posts
 29 Jun 2009 Mon 04:35 am

 

Quoting teaschip

I guess Alpha never heard about the customs in the Netherlands and the U.S. on how women vaccum naked...Big smile

 

 <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast) definately would never happen in Ireland ...brrrrrrrrr

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