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1.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 02:52 pm

Stuart Jeffries of Guardian, writes about the subject, comparing Muslim women with their Western conterparts....No difference as far as freeom is concerned. Wink

 

"........ For Hegel this is not real freedom, because our wants and desires are determined by society. By those lights, a Western fashion victim is as much a sartorial prisoner as a woman in a burqa. By real freedom Hegel meant not doing whatever one wants but having freedom from societal conditioning by using reason. If you meet someone who manages to be really free in this sense send me their names so we can celebrate their escape.......".

 

What he fails to realize is that Burqas also follow a fashion of their own...Believe it or not !



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2.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 05:42 pm

Stuart Jeffries of Guardian, writes about the subject, comparing Muslim women with their Western conterparts....No difference as far as freeom is concerned.

 

prepostrous. one has to be ideologically blinded or stupid to arrive at this conclusion. You crazy?

3.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 06:29 pm

I agree... firstly I think it´s wrong to talk about "the Western woman" and "the Muslim woman"... what about the Western Muslims? And are there no vast differences within different Muslim countries or communities, and within Western countries?

 

Secondly I am conducting some research now one freedom for women in different cultures, and to say a fashion victim is as much a victim as somebody who is denied the freedom to leave her house on her own account in the clothes she wants to wear, to do what she wants to do...it´s crazy.

4.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 06:40 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I agree... firstly I think it´s wrong to talk about "the Western woman" and "the Muslim woman"... what about the Western Muslims? And are there no vast differences within different Muslim countries or communities, and within Western countries?

 

Secondly I am conducting some research now one freedom for women in different cultures, and to say a fashion victim is as much a victim as somebody who is denied the freedom to leave her house on her own account in the clothes she wants to wear, to do what she wants to do...it´s crazy.

 

+1

5.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 07:23 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I agree... firstly I think it´s wrong to talk about "the Western woman" and "the Muslim woman"... what about the Western Muslims? And are there no vast differences within different Muslim countries or communities, and within Western countries?

 

Secondly I am conducting some research now one freedom for women in different cultures, and to say a fashion victim is as much a victim as somebody who is denied the freedom to leave her house on her own account in the clothes she wants to wear, to do what she wants to do...it´s crazy.

You definitely need friends to call a day in advance before they visit you at home,  if women of your house are free to roam around as they wish, in clothes that they like, perhapa without any clothes at all when they feel like it.....how is that for crazy?

 

6.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 07:31 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Stuart Jeffries of Guardian, writes about the subject, comparing Muslim women with their Western conterparts....No difference as far as freeom is concerned.

 

prepostrous. one has to be ideologically blinded or stupid to arrive at this conclusion. You crazy?

 

I totally agree with you. Why dont we sue Hegel and  Stuart Jeffries, together?



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7.       catwoman
8933 posts
 27 Jun 2009 Sat 08:14 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

I totally agree with you. Why dont we sue Hegel and  Stuart Jeffries, together?

 

Let´s start with not quoting them.

8.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 28 Jun 2009 Sun 02:03 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

You definitely need friends to call a day in advance before they visit you at home,  if women of your house are free to roam around as they wish, in clothes that they like, perhapa without any clothes at all when they feel like it.....how is that for crazy?

 

 

 Well, if I want to walk naked within my own house, why not It´s MY house right? I just think it´s silly to see Muslim men wearing very sexy clothes, thight jeans, thight shirts, the newest hairstyles, spending a LOT of many on hairgel...walking with their Muslim wive, fully covered in a black robe, in the smoldering heat! I don´t go on the street naked Don´t worry. I CHOOSE to cover myself in a way that I feel comfortable. But short shorts are always good when it´s 40 degrees, right

9.       teaschip
3870 posts
 28 Jun 2009 Sun 09:47 pm

I guess Alpha never heard about the customs in the Netherlands and the U.S. on how women vaccum naked...Big smile

10.       lessluv
1052 posts
 29 Jun 2009 Mon 04:35 am

 

Quoting teaschip

I guess Alpha never heard about the customs in the Netherlands and the U.S. on how women vaccum naked...Big smile

 

 <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast) definately would never happen in Ireland ...brrrrrrrrr

11.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 29 Jun 2009 Mon 08:49 am

 

Quoting teaschip

I guess Alpha never heard about the customs in the Netherlands and the U.S. on how women vaccum naked...Big smile

 

On the contrary...I am an admirer of their art....

So long as I can keep the sheets out...Alcoholics

 

12.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 29 Jun 2009 Mon 09:16 am

Us Dutch Women don´t vacum.... we´re too busy picking out what clothes to wear, since we´re all fashion victims!

13.       catwoman
8933 posts
 29 Jun 2009 Mon 07:56 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Us Dutch Women don´t vacum.... we´re too busy picking out what clothes to wear, since we´re all fashion victims!

 

You poor Dutch women, you might as well wear a burka and vacuum the house all day long!! Laugh at<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'>

14.       Trudy
7887 posts
 30 Jun 2009 Tue 09:43 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

You poor Dutch women, you might as well wear a burka and vacuum the house all day long!! Laugh at<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'>

 

 I will get you 

15.       lessluv
1052 posts
 30 Jun 2009 Tue 10:23 am

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 I will get you 

 

what you should be wearing now.........not a burka

 

 

 

16.       MrX67
2540 posts
 30 Jun 2009 Tue 10:45 am

excess&scarcity,i think thats the main problem on freedoms to as on everything,globalism will fix this  problem in time by setting common standarts i think?And thats really nonsense to make discrimination about freedoms between men&women??



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17.       MrX67
2540 posts
 01 Jul 2009 Wed 06:02 pm

if only we could be tolerated as much the sea and sand  http://www.milliyet.com.tr/galeri/yeni/goster.asp?prm=0,3570231&id=3&galeriid=6974#galeriStart

18.       Capoeira
575 posts
 01 Jul 2009 Wed 06:49 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

Let´s start with not quoting them.

 

 <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'>

19.       catwoman
8933 posts
 02 Jul 2009 Thu 03:40 am

 

Quoting lessluv

 

 

what you should be wearing now.........not a burka

 

 

 

 

Offf these Japanese women, such fashion victims!!! Scared<img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'>

20.       bydand
755 posts
 02 Jul 2009 Thu 10:40 am

I wouldn´t want to be handbagged in Japan. Scared

21.       lessluv
1052 posts
 02 Jul 2009 Thu 11:26 am

 

Quoting bydand

I wouldn´t want to be handbagged in Japan. Scared

 

 Laugh at ha ha......is it something that generally happens to you!

22.       bydand
755 posts
 02 Jul 2009 Thu 11:42 am

 

Quoting lessluv

 

 

 Laugh at ha ha......is it something that generally happens to you!

 

 Happens all the time.  Sad

23.       libralady
5152 posts
 02 Jul 2009 Thu 02:49 pm

 

Quoting bydand

 

 

 Happens all the time.  Sad

 

 I heard those Aberdonian women can be a bit........ err ruff   oh sorry, too urban ......... rough <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'>

24.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 06 Jul 2009 Mon 10:33 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

I guess Alpha never heard about the customs in the Netherlands and the U.S. on how women vaccum naked...Big smile

 

 Teas, stories of your nude vacuuming are quite infamous!  I just never expected you to talk about them so publically!  Up until now, you have always maintained that the "woman wearing only a mask and pushing a Hoover is not ME!!"

25.       teaschip
3870 posts
 07 Jul 2009 Tue 09:09 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 

 

 Teas, stories of your nude vacuuming are quite infamous!  I just never expected you to talk about them so publically!  Up until now, you have always maintained that the "woman wearing only a mask and pushing a Hoover is not ME!!"

 

It´s not me...I own an Eureka! Razz (:  I think you have mistaken my mask for GG´s. Big smile

26.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 07 Jul 2009 Tue 09:23 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

 

 

It´s not me...I own an Eureka! Razz (:  I think you have mistaken my mask for GG´s. Big smile

 

 RantI was NOT vacuuming in the nude!!!

 

I was dusting <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

27.       teaschip
3870 posts
 07 Jul 2009 Tue 09:25 pm

 

Quoting girleegirl

 

 

 RantI was NOT vacuuming in the nude!!!

 

I was dusting <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

 Feather or  Swifter? <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

28.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 07 Jul 2009 Tue 09:26 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

 

 

 Feather or  Swifter? <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast)

 

 Feather of course

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