you are copying again, let me remind you once more, who doubt about who is sincerety first, just remember the wilders thread and your u-turns, does it sound similar?

I had a look at the results of the results of the investigation. I said howcomes Austuria can be the 5th most peaceful country...Weren´t they suffer from extreme nationalist politicians power just a year ago? Then i looked Turkey´s ranking ohhh what a dengeraus country is that! Turkey is under Mali, Uganda, Cameroon, Iran, Turkmenistan, Haiti, Yemen, even Venezualla, even Cyprus, Malavi, Libya, Tanzania, Bolivia ( omg even USA what a horrible country is that

So i decided to check the indicators and methodology of the reseach. Becouse Turkey should be more peaceful than warrier countries or the counrtries where photograpy is even forbidden; or drug seller countries and internal warriers...

I realized that power of military is a negative indicator as well as conflicts with other countries. Potantiel to terrorist acts are also negative indicators.

According to those indicators it is very easy for a person to rank Turkey at the deepest place of the list. Turkey has a powerful military, has terrorizm, problems with Armenia and Cyprus. Guys, if Turkey werent support peace in the world she would not mass with finding diplomatic solutions to the conflicts with those countries. If terrorism werent being supported by "peaceful" countries things would be easier.

However that does not mean Turkey perfoms well about peace. She has serious problems on poltical instability, (but not as much as Mali has , terrorism, personal rights of all individuals and better relationships with neighbours although some of their´s difficile attitudes. Let me remind u that Turkey is in a very significant process to solve all those problems.

Coming back to the main thread i really dont think that Turkey deserves 0 on hostility to foreigners. We can rather talk about over hospitality to forigners especially if they are women Seriously i think that investigation does not display an objective view. But for sure we all have too much to do for peace in the country and peace in the world.

Don´t worry nobody blames Norway for anything. With ill-famed people like those, they might as well send a team of veterinerians as these people are aggressive and dangerous by nature. They might use tranquilizers on the aggressive Turks. All indicators point out to a better success rate were a team of vets put in charge. This way, in countries like Norway, people of dubious nationalities could at least expect to receive some emergency service.

It is not necessary to bring up what happened to the poor woman. The Turks in Norway is one less now which is a welcome development. She would not be able to represent Turkey positively anyway.

As for arranging to get them sent back to Turkey. Yes that would indeed be the solution. We can build a giant fridge in the heart of Anatolia and keep them out of sight forever.

You know sometimes we cannot be very accurate with the links we provide. Since our main intention is usually to support our own thesis, we occassionally come up with questionable references.

I don´t have to show any respect to those idiots who put up that list. Even a ten year old could discover the grotesque errors evident in the results. It is not even necessary to check out the methodology.

Some things can indeed be discovered using reasoning, that is how Chandrasekhar calculated the presence of blackholes. A list like that can not be prepared without having first hand knowledge about the countries ranked.

Oh come on vineyards, first of all I am Turkish, both as nationality and ethnically (and racially as well, I am yörük)

Just look at Kaplan and his men in Germany. He appointed himself as the rightful "khaliffah" and declared war on Turkey. What the hell? How come we don´t have such crackheads in Turkey? These people are victims of immigration and multiculturalism, as much as those native people who think their lifestyle is under threat. It just doesn´t work for both sides.

There is no need for sugarcoating and drowning in political correctness so much that we don´t know what we are talking about anymore. I don´t want my people to hurt and to get hurt, at the same time I don´t want them to assimilate. Which seems to contradict, because it is the nature of the beast. Humans are genetically xenophobic, you can´t do anything about it.

OK. I wrote it in the heat of the moment but I hope, I could get my message through in the end.

So you are now taking him more seriously and calmly because he´s Turkish, eh? Sorry if my post came across as if I was accusing you, or anyone in particular here of racism - because I was not, and I can see why it had made you angry, but I am disappointed by this.

No. Admittedly, I had written a longer message where I drew his attention to several things including the one you are complaining of. Seeing that he wanted to play down the matter , I just deleted what I wrote and posted a shorter message focusing on my own attitude.

Now that a suspicion has occured about this matter; I must clarify by saying that I also think that being a Turk does not change a thing.

As a matter of fact, I seriously dislike the prevalent mentality in my country, I detest so many aspects of the established culture. Living in today´s Turkey feels like being stuck in a cesspool of corruption, ignorance and deceit. In a big country with crowded cities, things do not always develop the way you want them to. We have to go through all of these not-so-welcome changes in society. No society has ever been perfect and it will probably will never be.

This however, will not stop me from criticizing a country about an incident involving tragic elements. You see I have a very poor image of my own country in many regards. Still I am aware of its good aspects too. The only difference between some of you frequent posters here is that I try not to think by retailiations. This approach is extremely counter-productive.

If I didn´t take you seriously, I wouldn´t take my time and post these long messages... To me, everyone contributing here is valuable. Ask yourself, if it is really so for some of us.

Isn´t it true that some users are booed at from time to time, their posts are laughed at, found boring etc. In my opinion, the reason behind that is intolerance. We should thank these posters for contributing with their points of view. Some of them may have decided to leave. Pity because, all their desire was to share something with us rather than talking about dudus and all that usual stuff.

Dear Catwoman;

I think Vineyards might have thought I am a run of the mill White nationalist/ xenophobic European, since when I read my post again even I thought so. That must be why he wrote all that tolerance stuff and politically correct but practically incorrect humanist mumbo jumbo we all are too tired of. Yeah sorry.

Ofcourse most of us on here love to go to Turkey. But we can´t deny that some parts of it are dangerous. Ofcourse the threat of bombings makes a country more dangerous! And ofcourse the whole military thing that´s going on in the east makes a country more dangerous. I remember sitting safely in my hotel room in a Turkish resort, and seeing Turkish planes bombing mountains near the Eastern border of Turkey. If you´re living in that part of Turkey, you´re not feeling that safe. I also remember several bombings in Turkish resorts themselves. It sucks, and I myself still feel safe in Turkey, but what can you do...

Anywayyyy, enough about Turkey! Back to Norway... The whole thing that started this discussion was the question if this was really something that is a racist act, reflective of Norway. (I hope we all agree by now that this can not possibly be a reflective act of Europe as a whole, since my in depth investigation into Dutch practices  ) I still can´t say if this was a racist act. The facts are not clear. I think it´s normal to send the police when somebody threatens ambulance personel, even when it´s on the phone. Around large parts of the world violence against public service personel has risen. It is important to keep these people safe. Yes, somehing CLEARLY has gone wrong in this Norwegian case. But WHAT went wrong, nobody here really knows. I hope the results of the investigations around this will be published.

I feel terribly sorry for having written this wishy-washy, unnecessarily lengthy humanist mumbo jumbo.

I understand, I am stealing from your focus and your time when you are so busy learning English.