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Kaymak of Ismailkoy
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1.       alameda
3499 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 08:20 am

I´ve been curious about traditional Turkish food.  Food that is that has not been touched by industrialization and Westernization.  I´ve heard about kaymak for years....and have tasted a few different types.  Next time I get to Turkey I will have to find this kaymak.

 

The best kaymak of all


Ismailkoy is a village of 600 inhabitants a few kilometers from Afyon. It has always been a poppy-growing village and even today, is the one which is most determined to keep it, refusing to switch to crops, such as sugar beet and vegetables in general. Each year, the Turkish authorities decide the extent and location of the areas for poppy cultivation. The cultivation zones and farmers involved change every year. Poppies are a crop that requires little attention or expense, and there is little risk. The seeds are planted in September and the plants flower from April to May with little irrigation and no treatment. Poppies are hardy, surviving Anatolia’s hot dry climate well, even if the yield of oil from seeds is reduced in years of drought. The only activity required of the farmers, apart from watering and fertilizing the ground, is to thin them out when the flowers grow too thickly. The poppy plant, which reaches a height of 120 to 130 centimeters, is left to dry and then cut. The stalk is used as a cooking fuel, the capsules containing the seeds are sold to a pharmaceutical company, and the seeds are used as food. The people of Ismailkoy do not wish to lose a flavor which has been part of their and their ancestors’ lives. This spirited resistance has deep, and unexpected, roots.


Afyon is famous not only for poppies, but also for kaymak. This is a cream prepared from milk that takes the form of very white, firm disks about one centimeter thick. It is eaten fresh, one or two days after it is made, to fully appreciate the flavor of the milk; it is hard enough to cut with a knife but at the same time extraordinarily creamy. The best kaymak comes from buffalo milk, with cow’s milk following. It is made all over Turkey to be eaten with cakes and sweets or fruit in syrup. Otherwise, it can be spread on bread with a little honey. But the kaymak from the Afyon area is universally acknowledged to be the finest there is. The farmers of Ismailkoy are not only poppy growers. They have also always been livestock farmers. Each holding will only have a few head of buffalo or cattle but production is steady. And every day they go to the market at Afyon to sell their best kaymak, the part that will command the best prices.


What does kaymak have to do with poppies? When poppy seeds are pressed to obtain oil, the solid residue in the sacks of jute or nylon used to sieve the seed mixture is dried and stored. It comes in rectangular blocks called küspe, weighing about seven kilograms. These are crumbled into water as feed for buffalo, cows, goats and chickens. It is highly nutritious, rich in protein, fats and sugars. Each küspe costs about one dollar and provides up to four meals for a buffalo, one day’s food. It is expensive but a buffalo can produce up to 12 liters of milk a day, yielding six portions of kaymak that sell for about a dollar and a half each. They have no doubts, “If our kaymak is the best, it is only thanks to the poppies. That is the only difference between the feed for our animals and what all the other animals in Turkey eat. Our animals’ meat is better, too”. The people of Ismailkoy can distinguish the flavor of the milk produced by poppy seed oil-fed animals from other milk. And they prefer it to other milk.

2.       alameda
3499 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 02:14 am

Hmmm....doesn´t anyone here eat kaymak?  If so, I´m curious about how you use it and what animal it comes from.  Sheep, goat, cow....?

3.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 02:40 am

I was in Afyon about a year ago. Our host offered us Afyon kaymak which he said should be eaten fresh. For that reason, it is not possible to take kaymak with you in a car. It quickly becomes oxidized and loses its unique taste.

 

Some people mix it with honey and some eat it straight.

4.       alameda
3499 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 03:10 am

 

Quoting vineyards

I was in Afyon about a year ago. Our host offered us Afyon kaymak whTich he said should be eaten fresh. For that reason, it is not possible to take kaymak with you in a car. It quickly becomes oxidized and loses its unique taste.

 

Some people mix it with honey and some eat it straight.

 

Hmmm....interesting.  There seems to be many different types of kaymak.  I knew some people from Turkey who longed for it.  It has sort of taken on mythical properties in my mind.  I have had a couple of different types, but the Afyon one sounds interesting. 

 

kaymak

5.       scalpel
1472 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 03:15 am

 

Quoting alameda

Hmmm....doesn´t anyone here eat kaymak?  If so, I´m curious about how you use it and what animal it comes from.  Sheep, goat, cow....?

 

The best kaymak comes from water buffalo. (Not only the best kaymak, but also the best cheese and yogurt ).It is often used with such desserts as baklava, kadayıf, etc...and,of course, in breakfast, with honey.

The water buffalo has many names in Turkish: manda, camız, camış, kömüş. 

6.       alameda
3499 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 03:26 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

The best kaymak comes from water buffalo. (Not only the best kaymak, but also the best cheese and yogurt ).It is often used with such desserts as baklava, kadayıf, etc...and,of course, in breakfast, with honey.

The water buffalo has many names in Turkish: manda, camız, camış, kömüş. 

 

That is what it would appear.  In reading that article I´m very curious to try it.  I´m not particularly fond of cow milk products, I much prefer sheep or goat...never had a chance to try water buffalo, but it sounds very promising.....I´ve had kadayif....ummm...so nice........it must be heavenly with water buffalo kaymak. {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}

 

I have some friends from Afghanistan who have a business making foods for that community.  They served something to me the other day that was sort of a soup/porridge. It had circles of kaymak on it. They make their own kaymak.  This particular one was sour. I only found it was kaymak when I questioned them as to the ingredients....and they mentioned kaymak.

7.       slavica
814 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:10 pm

 

Quoting alameda

I´m curious about how you use it and what animal it comes from.  Sheep, goat, cow....?

 

 As other Balkans nations, Serbs consider kaymak (kajmak) a national meal. It is made mostly from cow, but also from sheep milk. We usually use it matured - fermented and sour, as an appetizer, as condiment - melted on some other national dishes, then for preparing a pastry and as accompaniment, mostly to barbecued meat.


As for example, a typical Serbian plate of appetizers consist of a spoon of kajmak, cheese, sliced ham and sausages, small piece of “gibanica” ( kind of cheese pie) or spinach pie, “ajvar” (dish/salad made of roasted peppers and eggplant), corn bread, olives or pickles.

 

8.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:33 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

The best kaymak comes from water buffalo. (Not only the best kaymak, but also the best cheese and yogurt ).It is often used with such desserts as baklava, kadayıf, etc...and,of course, in breakfast, with honey.

The water buffalo has many names in Turkish: manda, camız, camış, kömüş.

 

 What do you use from...buffalo? As i know buffalo is male {#emotions_dlg.puking}

9.       yakamozzz
398 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 12:47 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 What do you use from...buffalo? As i know buffalo is male {#emotions_dlg.puking}

 

as i know even for buffalos it takes male + female buffalos for getting baby buffalos {#emotions_dlg.super_cool}

10.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 02:05 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 What do you use from...buffalo? As i know buffalo is male {#emotions_dlg.puking}

 

We call it "manda" and dictionary has "water buffalo" for "manda". What do you call female of "water buffalo"?

11.       lady in red
6947 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 02:13 pm

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 What do you use from...buffalo? As i know buffalo is male {#emotions_dlg.puking}

 

Quoting si++

 

 

We call it "manda" and dictionary has "water buffalo" for "manda". What do you call female of "water buffalo"?

 

Female water buffalo is called ´female water buffalo´ and male water buffalo is called ´male water buffalo´  

 

Reyhan ´buffalo´ is the name of the animal - not the sex!

12.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 02:18 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

The water buffalo has many names in Turkish: manda, camız, camış, kömüş. 

 

Cattle names could compete with rocket science in terms of sophistication:

 

Sığır is the general name.

İnek is a female sığır.

Buzağı is the yearling of inek.

Düve is an inek that has reached puberty

 

Boğa is a male sığır.

Buzağı is the same.

Dana is a boğa that has reached puberty

Öküz is a castrated boğa.

 

Furthermore, we have manda which means weaned water buffalo.

There are other words such as camış, mal etc which are used in various locations in Anatolia.



Edited (1/16/2010) by vineyards

13.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 02:23 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

Female water buffalo is called ´female water buffalo´ and male water buffalo is called ´male water buffalo´  

 

Reyhan ´buffalo´ is the name of the animal - not the sex!

 

 

{#emotions_dlg.applause}{#emotions_dlg.lol}

14.       slavica
814 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 04:53 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 What do you use from...buffalo? As i know buffalo is male {#emotions_dlg.puking}

 

 The answer is: they use milk of (female) buffalo.

15.       sonunda
5004 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 05:24 pm

Afyon is one of my favourite places in Turkey and gets my award for ´friendliest people in Turkey´

The aforementioned kaymak is often served with a bready cake soaked in honey and is gorgeous.

It has its own facebook page!

 

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kaymakli-Ekmek-Kadayifi/49219419192?v=info

16.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 05:27 pm

Dictionary of this site give this definition:

 

 

buffalo
A species of the genus Bos or Bubalus (B. bubalus), originally from India, but now found in most of the warmer countries of the eastern continent. It is larger and less docile than the common ox, and is fond of marshy places and rivers.

 

and

 

ox
The male of bovine quadrupeds, especially the domestic animal when castrated and grown to its full size, or nearly so. The word is also applied, as a general name, to any species of bovine animals, male and female.

 

 

So if the buffalo is larger and less docile than the common ox and the ox is male doesnt it mean that buffalo is male ? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}



Edited (1/16/2010) by ReyhanL

17.       yakamozzz
398 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 06:10 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

Dictionary of this site give this definition:

 

 

buffalo
A species of the genus Bos or Bubalus (B. bubalus), originally from India, but now found in most of the warmer countries of the eastern continent. It is larger and less docile than the common ox, and is fond of marshy places and rivers.

 

and

 

ox
The male of bovine quadrupeds, especially the domestic animal when castrated and grown to its full size, or nearly so. The word is also applied, as a general name, to any species of bovine animals, male and female.

 

 

So if the buffalo is larger and less docile than the common ox and the ox is male doesnt it mean that buffalo is male ? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

no, that means cow has a husband bull and a lover ox, and buffalo was only compared by SIZE with this ox, not by anatomy, and that won´t change anything, buffalo still is male buffalo and female buffalo, and you really CAN eat kaymak in peace coz it IS made from buffalo´s milk...

18.       lady in red
6947 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 06:31 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

Dictionary of this site give this definition:

 

 

ox
The male of bovine quadrupeds, especially the domestic animal when castrated and grown to its full size, or nearly so. The word is also applied, as a general name, to any species of bovine animals, male and female.

 

 

So if the buffalo is larger and less docile than the common ox and the ox is male doesnt it mean that buffalo is male ? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

...and don´t forget the site dictionary is for translation purposes and NOT an English dictionary!

 

19.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 06:35 pm

As long if there is also an English- English dictionary i take it as it is .

20.       lady in red
6947 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 06:38 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

As long if there is also an English- English dictionary i take it as it is .

 

Trust me - don´t!!  There are many very weird definitions of English words in the site dictionary.

21.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 06:40 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

Trust me - don´t!!  There are many very weird definitions of English words in the site dictionary.

 

 English not being my second native language i recognize that i use it sometimes {#emotions_dlg.shy}

22.       yakamozzz
398 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 07:14 pm

few links about female buffalos for ReyhanL:

 

http://www.arkive.org/african-buffalo/syncerus-caffer/image-G28799.html

http://www.arkive.org/african-buffalo/syncerus-caffer/image-G28778.html (believe me one of those 2 here MUST be female )

http://www.arkive.org/african-buffalo/syncerus-caffer/image-G27762.html

http://www.arkive.org/african-buffalo/syncerus-caffer/image-G28318.html

 

so the rest of the world really seems to believe buffalos CAN be male AND female

23.       lemon
1374 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 08:34 pm

 

Quoting yakamozzz

 

 

no, that means cow has a husband bull and a lover ox, and buffalo was only compared by SIZE with this ox, not by anatomy, and that won´t change anything, buffalo still is male buffalo and female buffalo, and you really CAN eat kaymak in peace coz it IS made from buffalo´s milk...

 

ahahahaha the best ever joke!

 

cows husband or lover! {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

you sure its made from buffallo´s milk? {#emotions_dlg.pinokkio}

24.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 08:36 pm

Lets {#emotions_dlg.alcoholics} it!

25.       lemon
1374 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 08:39 pm

btw, you, stupid cows! {#emotions_dlg.bye}

 

why are you talking about buffalo as if kaymak cant be made from normal continental cows milk?

 

where the heck you got the idea of bufallo? are there such in turkey? we dont have them in KZ but still have kaymak which we also call kilegei.

 

kaymak is simply a sour cream and kilegei is a sweet cream.

26.       lemon
1374 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 08:44 pm

 

Quoting ReyhanL

Lets {#emotions_dlg.alcoholics} it!

 

to the cows! {#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}

 

na zdorovie!  {#emotions_dlg.koffie}

27.       armegon
1872 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 10:55 pm

 

Quoting lemon

where the heck you got the idea of bufallo? are there such in turkey? we dont have them in KZ but still have kaymak which we also call kilegei.

 

Yes, it is called "manda" in Turkey , but their production and looking after them is really so hard so their number is decreasing. Some places are famous with manda yoghurt and kaymak in Turkey. People say best kaymak is made with manda milk. Cow kaymak is yellowish but manda kaymak is white like snow...

28.       yakamozzz
398 posts
 16 Jan 2010 Sat 10:58 pm

 

Quoting lemon

btw, you, stupid cows! {#emotions_dlg.bye}

 

why are you talking about buffalo as if kaymak cant be made from normal continental cows milk?

 

where the heck you got the idea of bufallo? are there such in turkey? we dont have them in KZ but still have kaymak which we also call kilegei.

 

kaymak is simply a sour cream and kilegei is a sweet cream.

 

hmm...you DIDN´T start reading all this thread from page 1 (or you would KNOW where we got the buffalos from)...how "smart" is that, heh? {#emotions_dlg.whistle}

29.       lemon
1374 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 12:52 am

 

Quoting yakamozzz

 

 

hmm...you DIDN´T start reading all this thread from page 1 (or you would KNOW where we got the buffalos from)...how "smart" is that, heh? {#emotions_dlg.whistle}

 

cant be bothered reading the 1st page where 0.5 of page belongs to alameda i.e. boring.

{#emotions_dlg.silenced}

30.       lemon
1374 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 12:52 am

 

Quoting yakamozzz

 

 

hmm...you DIDN´T start reading all this thread from page 1 (or you would KNOW where we got the buffalos from)...how "smart" is that, heh? {#emotions_dlg.whistle}

 

cant be bothered reading the 1st page where 0.5 of page belongs to alameda i.e. boring.

{#emotions_dlg.silenced}

31.       lemon
1374 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 12:56 am

 

Quoting armegon

 

 

Yes, it is called "manda" in Turkey , but their production and looking after them is really so hard so their number is decreasing. Some places are famous with manda yoghurt and kaymak in Turkey. People say best kaymak is made with manda milk. Cow kaymak is yellowish but manda kaymak is white like snow...

 

now thats an interesting thing to learn. thank you.

 

 

 

32.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 03:03 am

Geeeezz I googled "manda" as I was dying to see what a water buffalo looks like and Google Images gave me photos of frogs and of giant snakes fighting Gozilla...Now I´m even more confused {#emotions_dlg.stoneage}Frog is definitely NOT bovine, and neither are giant snakes

 

Ok, saw them when typer "water buffalo" the Latin name cracked me up - bubalus bubalis



Edited (1/17/2010) by Daydreamer [i just HAD TO provide the Latin name]

33.       upsy_daisy
200 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 04:57 am

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

Cattle names could compete with rocket science in terms of sophistication:

 

Sığır is the general name.

İnek is a female sığır.

Buzağı is the yearling of inek.

Düve is an inek that has reached puberty

 

Boğa is a male sığır.

Buzağı is the same.

Dana is a boğa that has reached puberty

Öküz is a castrated boğa.

 

Furthermore, we have manda which means weaned water buffalo.

There are other words such as camış, mal etc which are used in various locations in Anatolia.

 

I am a farm girl first.{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile} My family grew hazelnut and raised cattle on a farm in a lovely village in eastern Black Sea region.Every summer, I helped with the hazelnut and fed the cattle. I liked to go out to graze the cattle. Here is the cattle names that I know: 

 

buzağı- a very baby ox.

dana - a young ox from birth to 12 months:if a male, erkek dana, if a female, dişi dana.

düve- a year-old female up to the first calving.

tosun- a young male ox between the ages of 12 and 24 months

boğa- a two year-old (or more) uncastrated ox.

öküz- a two year-old (or more) castrated ox.

inek- a female having had more than one calf.

 

 

 


34.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 09:22 am

We had this animals in my Romania. We call them "bivol"

35.       alameda
3499 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 10:19 am

I think one would need to be rather brave to milk one of these.....big horns and a big animal...I wonder if they are docile?

Quoting ReyhanL

We had this animals in my Romania. We call them "bivol"

 

 

36.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 17 Jan 2010 Sun 10:49 am

 

Quoting alameda

I think one would need to be rather brave to milk one of these.....big horns and a big animal...I wonder if they are docile?

 

 

 

 No they are very... self-willed . My grandparents had them instead of cows. They give much less milk than a cow but has more fats. They are crazy for water especially if its with lot of mud {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}. You cant take them off then {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}



Edited (1/17/2010) by ReyhanL
Edited (1/17/2010) by ReyhanL

37.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 12:42 am

In 2002, I saw a cow which had been left tied to a stick under the burning sun of Bodrum. The animal was moaning loudly. I found a large bucket and filled it up with water and carried it near the animal and couldn´t believe in my eyes when it sucked all the water in seconds. I brought it another bucketful which it drank half of it in one go.

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