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Censorship of translation sites.
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05 Jun 2010 Sat 09:18 am |
Turkey´s web users again bear the brunt of heavy-handed censorship as the Telecommunications Commication Presidency indefinitely shuts off access to several Google services, including ´Google Docs.´ The move follows the banning of the popular video-sharing website YouTube for alleged insults against Turkish Republic founder Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
BAR: The Telecommunications Communication Presidency says it blocked access to some Google IP addresses ´due to legal reasons.´
I don´t actually think its a major loss to loose google translate as it´s rubbish anyway, but I am surprised such high censorship is taking place.
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Translation and document-sharing tools are among the Google sites recently barred in Turkey, which has maintained a widely unpopular two-year ban on YouTube for perceived insults against the country’s
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05 Jun 2010 Sat 10:38 am |
It´s a good excuse for Türk Telekom to save some bandwidth by banning U-tube. Personally I don´t use u-tube so that´s not a problem for myself but I don´t understand why google translate service is banned.
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05 Jun 2010 Sat 11:43 am |
Oh, that stinks. I have to agree that Google translate isn´t the best translator out there, but it´s an easy tool that I use almost daily!
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05 Jun 2010 Sat 05:04 pm |
I think the translation forum is going to get very busy!
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05 Jun 2010 Sat 05:13 pm |
It´s ridiculous to ban sites because of politics. Especially that I´m sure there are ways to find a way around it...
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05 Jun 2010 Sat 06:48 pm |
It´s ridiculous to ban sites because of politics. Especially that I´m sure there are ways to find a way around it...
There are ways round youtube so there must be ways round this....
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05 Jun 2010 Sat 07:11 pm |
Is it ok if I post a way to connect the banned websites? Or is it not allowed on this forum?=)
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05 Jun 2010 Sat 07:25 pm |
Is it ok if I post a way to connect the banned websites? Or is it not allowed on this forum?=)
I guess it is. In the past people told how to use YouTube through a bypass. I don´t see a problem.
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05 Jun 2010 Sat 07:54 pm |
I think that bypass is the same way I was gonna offer. But changing the DNS settings seems to work for me..
Instructions in
English:
for XP
http://www.mediacollege.com/computer/network/dns.html (use the first one)
or this
http://www.plus.net/support/software/dns/changing_dns_xp.shtml
for vista
almost the same as xp, but here it is
http://www.plus.net/support/software/dns/changing_dns_vista.shtml
for preferred DNS addresses you may use
208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220
or the one I´m using is
202.27.184.3
202.27.184.5
try doing it, click ok and restart your browser. Works fine with my computer=)
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05 Jun 2010 Sat 08:07 pm |
Here is a funny caricature from Turkish humor magazine Penguen mocking government efforts to block Internet access:
From now on Google searches will be done by submitting paper forms to a government office
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05 Jun 2010 Sat 10:20 pm |
Lol! This is really funny!! In a very tragic way though... I really hope it doesn´t come to that.
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06 Jun 2010 Sun 07:46 pm |
Wow, this is a shame. The ban on YouTube was old news; as inconvenient as it was, I was able to get used to it. I agree that the ban on the translation services is also not a huge deal as they´re not that good anyway. But I use the google documents service all the time - it´s very useful, and I don´t understand the danger behind allowing access to it!
Edited (6/6/2010) by catwoman
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06 Jun 2010 Sun 08:28 pm |
Doesn´t matter if there are ways around the bans or not, this says a lot about Turkey.
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07 Jun 2010 Mon 10:31 am |
It does not actually say "access to this site has been banned according to court decision". When you hit translate button, you just hang there waiting for something to come up. I didn´t wait till something comes up. Seems like Türk Telekom have messed up something.
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07 Jun 2010 Mon 12:25 pm |
It does not actually say "access to this site has been banned according to court decision".
Phewww!.... Such a relief, eh?
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09 Jun 2010 Wed 09:50 am |
Google shall pay tax to Turkey
‘For Turkey to lift the bans, the company should start paying taxes.’
08 Haziran 2010 Salı, 14:46:30
Turkey’s communications minister called on Google Inc. to register as a taxpayer in the country, a step he said would help accelerate the lifting of a ban on the company’s Youtube video-sharing website.
“The company should open a representative office,” Transport and Communications Minister Binali Yıldırım said in Ankara today. “Youtube is a tax-payer in 20 countries and we want them to do the same in Turkey.” Turkey’s Finance Ministry has given Google a tax demand of 30 million liras ($18.6 million), Yıldırım said today. Youtube has been banned in Turkey since 2008 when a court ruled that a video on the site had insulted national founder Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
Quoted from: here
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09 Jun 2010 Wed 10:11 pm |
...right...does this mean that TLC has to pay tax in Holland too, since I´m reading this site from Holland now?
(okay, so probably TLC is not a for-profit website, I don´t know actually, but humor me )
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09 Jun 2010 Wed 11:50 pm |
So it turns out, the ban has nothing to do with protecting fragile Turkish minds from unfavourable Ataturk films, but it´s all about alışverış Money talks (and googles haha)
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 10:28 am |
So it turns out, the ban has nothing to do with protecting fragile Turkish minds from unfavourable Ataturk films, but it´s all about alışverış Money talks (and googles haha)
That is exactly what it is really..
I believe, people who can still think ´Ataturk should be protected by bans or laws´ in this era, CAN turn around and say ´ah but if they pay money, it is something else´ and dont feel any ambarresment at all..
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 10:36 am |
So it turns out, the ban has nothing to do with protecting fragile Turkish minds from unfavourable Ataturk films, but it´s all about alışverış Money talks (and googles haha)
Wrong conclusion. That doesn´t mean they would not be punished. If they register as a tax-payer then they would be fined in that case instead of banning only.
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 11:10 am |
Wrong conclusion. That doesn´t mean they would not be punished. If they register as a tax-payer then they would be fined in that case instead of banning only.
Ah now, you are trying to defend the people who ban websites or defending ´banning websites´ because banning was done idiotic, simpleton but Turkish authorities?
And you think supporting the decisions like ´banning the websites´ is part of every Turk´s job?
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 03:43 pm |
Wrong conclusion. That doesn´t mean they would not be punished. If they register as a tax-payer then they would be fined in that case instead of banning only.
Ok, so Google should accept to pay taxes in Turkey so that it can be fined for allowing people to publish films not praising Turkish national hero?
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 04:39 pm |
Ok, so Google should accept to pay taxes in Turkey so that it can be fined for allowing people to publish films not praising Turkish national hero?
Nobody has to praise him. They can criticize him as well. That´s OK. If they don´t swear at him, there is no problem. If they do, there is a law for punishment of such things.
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 05:12 pm |
Yes, there is but only in Turkey. Don´t Turkish people swear at other countries´ national heroes? I´m just asking out of curiosity...well, if they do, they shouldn´t be surprised if their hero is sworn at. Besides, It is beyond my comprehension why a government bans a site where you look for specific materials, they´re not forced on you. It´s not like you enter youTube hand first have to watch an anti-Ataturk film.
Si++ just admit it, it IS about money this time
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 05:44 pm |
Yes, there is but only in Turkey. Don´t Turkish people swear at other countries´ national heroes? I´m just asking out of curiosity...well, if they do, they shouldn´t be surprised if their hero is sworn at. Besides, It is beyond my comprehension why a government bans a site where you look for specific materials, they´re not forced on you. It´s not like you enter youTube hand first have to watch an anti-Ataturk film.
Si++ just admit it, it IS about money this time
It´s not our goverment that bans it. It´s a court decision in accordance with the law.
It doesn´t matter whether I admit or not. There is a law for it. There is nothing to do but apply it for the court. Yes it´s good for Türk Telekom for example as they save a lot of bandwidth.
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 08:17 pm |
It´s not our goverment that bans it. It´s a court decision in accordance with the law.
It doesn´t matter whether I admit or not. There is a law for it. There is nothing to do but apply it for the court. Yes it´s good for Türk Telekom for example as they save a lot of bandwidth.
And who makes the laws ?
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 08:34 pm |
TBMM (National Assembly of deputies). But the thing is nobody dare to change that law. Nobody can do something like that. If they do they would be punished by the voters in the next elections.
Edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_National_Assembly_of_Turkey
Edited (6/10/2010) by si++
Edited (6/10/2010) by si++
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 10:25 pm |
lets say that my knoweledge on jusridiction and legislation is limited. Yet a question sneaks in: How do the voters punish the law makers? By which law and by what actions or legal proceedings? You see, I for the first time now hear that voters can punish the law makers in the elections. Am I missing something?
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 10:36 pm |
Maybe Turks appoint the Judiciary by means of general election?
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10 Jun 2010 Thu 10:39 pm |
Maybe Turks appoint the Judiciary by means of general election?
There you go! yes, this is what I was missing - Democracy!
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11 Jun 2010 Fri 08:11 am |
lets say that my knoweledge on jusridiction and legislation is limited. Yet a question sneaks in: How do the voters punish the law makers? By which law and by what actions or legal proceedings? You see, I for the first time now hear that voters can punish the law makers in the elections. Am I missing something?
Nobody can dare to do something. Why should one think of aborting a law that punishes those who swear at Atatürk? Are you crasy or something?
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11 Jun 2010 Fri 08:16 am |
Maybe Turks appoint the Judiciary by means of general election?
I cannot imagine anyone saying let´s abort that law, in the first place. If that happens I cannot imagine what would happen later. If nothing happens until elections then voters would punish it.
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12 Jun 2010 Sat 02:11 pm |
Finally, in the end, our search engine is coming along:
http://www.millimotor.com/default.aspx
Millimotor translates as ´nationalengine´
instead of ´I´m felling lucky´, we have our own ´I am feeling clever, swift and ethical´; when you click on ´millitube-means nationaltube-´ link it says ´we are watching all the videos one by one, we will let you know when any of them approved´
Hilarious..
Edited (6/12/2010) by thehandsom
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12 Jun 2010 Sat 02:36 pm |
Finally, in the end, our search engine is coming along:
http://www.millimotor.com/default.aspx
Millimotor translates as ´nationalengine´
instead of ´I´m felling lucky´, we have our own ´I am feeling clever, swift and ethical´; when you click on ´millitube-means nationaltube-´ link it says ´we are watching all the videos one by one, we will let you know when any of them approved´
Hilarious..
Well done! Maybe in a year from now we´ll hear about Turkey having their own Internet, just like China does
On a serious note: I think it´s good that a country supports national products. It´s just promoting the unhealthy competition (by banning other service providers) that doesn´t seem right to me. Oh well, who am I to judge? The biggest internet provider in Ireland (Eircome) warned they´d refuse service to people accused of using file sharing sites, esp torrents. There´s a 3 strike rule If they consider your web activity suspicious, they warn you 3 times and then disconnect you
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12 Jun 2010 Sat 03:03 pm |
Google translate appears to be working ´normally´ again. TLC must wield more power than we ever realised!
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13 Jun 2010 Sun 09:34 am |
Google demand an appoinment from Turkey.
Transportation and communication minister Binali Yıldırım said that Google demanded an appointment to discuss the banning of the site in Turkey.
Upon the question "What kind of agreement can be reached with Google?", the minister said "We didn´t ask for any agreement, we say that they have to do this, this and this, We are not in a position for bargaining, They have to know about Turkish laws, They have to register as a tax payer in Turkey, they have to release a local version of their products in Turkey, They have to have an address in Turkey so that we can find them if need be".
Quoted from: here
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