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40.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 27 Jul 2010 Tue 10:35 pm

 

Quoting sonunda

I have removed posts written in Turkish. The language of the forums is English.

 

 I was hoping you would remove the English ones too! {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

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41.       vineyards
1954 posts
 28 Jul 2010 Wed 04:28 am

Turkey is going through a very sensitive period. Our citizens are being targeted by a terrorist organization. There is anger and frustration over this. Disorder and chaos are two major objectives of terror. Crowds probably manipulated by provocators fall into this trap and turn their anger into acts of civil disobedience. These are very sad developments and somewhat reminiscient of the aftermath of 9/11. On losing about 3000 people, some people in the US began a witch hunt declaring muslims as the enemy. This negative sentiment is still going strong today. It is in human nature to become hostile when subjected to terror and agression. This is also one of the major objectives of terror. They want you to distrust and disobey existing coercion. It is only through this way that terrorists can hope to realize their objectives.



Edited (7/28/2010) by vineyards [7+2]

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42.       alameda
3499 posts
 28 Jul 2010 Wed 05:18 am

 Sorry, I wrote that late in the night before going to bed.

I didn´t add the above....it seems vineyards did. Why does this message say I wrote it, but I didn´t write all of it. Both his messages and mine have been combined into one...???

 

While we are on it....7-11 is the name of an international convenience store chain. Do you have them in Turkey too?



Edited (7/28/2010) by vineyards
Edited (7/28/2010) by alameda [there is a serious error in this message. It has combined both mine and vineyards into one]

43.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 29 Jul 2010 Thu 12:49 am

 

Quoting alameda

 Sorry, I wrote that late in the night before going to bed.

I didn´t add the above....it seems vineyards did. Why does this message say I wrote it, but I didn´t write all of it. Both his messages and mine have been combined into one...???

I think there have been some funny happenings here too.  This morning I wasn´t logged in, but it had the ´modify´ option displayed under another user´s name (can´t remember which one now), at the top of their post.  Of course I clicked on it to see what would happen but it denied me because I wasn´t logged in.  I wonder what would have happened if I had been logged in? {#emotions_dlg.think}

 

44.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Jul 2010 Thu 12:04 pm

More articles about these incidents:

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/columnists-217480-social-harmony-at-risk.html

 

The Hürriyet daily’s Sedat Ergin says the unrest that broke out in İnegöl and Dörtyol are an indication of the fact that social harmony is on thin ice in Turkey. “Both incidents reveal that simmering ethnic tension between different segments of the population has the potential to turn into civil unrest upon the slightest trigger, especially following an increase in PKK attacks. As seen in the riots in İnegöl and Dörtyol, a small provocation is sufficient to cause major social conflict,” ...

The Sabah daily’s Emre Aköz, a sociologist, says the riots in İnegöl must be taken very seriously ... it is likely that the riot was provoked by shadowy forces. “The incident had nothing to do with alcohol or ignorance. The İnegöl case was an operation, a planned scheme. If the plan had not worked in İnegöl, it would have been put into action somewhere else,” says Aköz.

The Vatan daily’s Ruşen Çakır says....the same problem lies beneath all of them: Turkey’s long-standing Kurdish problem. ...

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Hurriyet

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p..2010-07-28

Even somebody´s teacher put his opinions:

Sedat Laçiner,..said the attacks and clashes that have occurred in the country’s eastern and southeastern regions have been fueled by the PKK, but called those in the west, including İnegöl, “the result of provocative actions triggered by some who call themselves nationalists and pretend to be against the PKK.”

 

45.       vineyards
1954 posts
 29 Jul 2010 Thu 03:24 pm

I don´t know what happened. I just edited my own message and corrected 7/11 as 9/11.

Yes, at least until some time ago we had 7/11 in Turkey. I remember the chain was owned by the husband of our former prime minister Tansu Çiller. They were like convenience stores that were open round the clock. So, when no stores were open you would drive to the nearest 7/11. I don´t see them anymore. Maybe they have gone bankrupt or something. Maybe other members know what happened to them.

 

Quoting alameda

 Sorry, I wrote that late in the night before going to bed.

I didn´t add the above....it seems vineyards did. Why does this message say I wrote it, but I didn´t write all of it. Both his messages and mine have been combined into one...???

 

While we are on it....7-11 is the name of an international convenience store chain. Do you have them in Turkey too?

 

 

46.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 29 Jul 2010 Thu 05:50 pm

Almost all serious columnists are mentioning the danger I have been trying to explain here..

This is small translation from one of the columnists from Taraf:

..

 

Are there conditions for a civil war in Turkey?

Unfortunately, yes..there is.


Yesterday, we would console ourselves because we would say ´Kurds and turks are living together, we are brothers, there wont be any civil war. But today, beacuse the common living areas are nested one whithin the other, conditions for a civil war are ripening. Because a civil war as opposed to clashes, is the situation where people who have nothing to do with the war, the innocent people  who are against the war, are being attacked and for extermination.


Look at it carefully..There is no clashes between two parties in the latest incidents.. I dont want to generalize as ´Turks´, because it is not like that yet, provoked racists attacked BNP(Kurdish party) buildings and put up Turkish flags in there then they attacked the Kurdish shops are houses..Kurds right now, apart from southeast, especially, are in danger of their lifes, in the places where there are racist insurgence.

..

Before accusing this and that, we should be able to put the ethnic hatred onto a table. This hatred is not towards Kurds only; To Armenians, jews, others who are not Turks But this hatred can be transfered to a civil war only between Turks-Kurds ..What ever the reasons are such as actions of PKK, martyrs etc, hatred of Kurds should be given any opportunity. The way for this is ´seeing the danger of civil war and the armed clashes in the south eas´t as two  different entities..We have to be able succeed  to explain that the racist hatred feelings  constitute to a crime against humanity and ´ perceptible form of this crime´ is hatred of Kurds in our society..

We should be able to say ´dont touch my neighbour´!!


The Turkish article is here 

47.      
posts --- Modify
 29 Jul 2010 Thu 06:31 pm

OK. I´ve read the article written by Nabi Yagci, the former secretary general of Turkish Communist Party. I´ve found an extensive article featuring him exclusively:

http://www.iscimucadelesi.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=404&Itemid=69

 

I have also found a strange similarity between you and him after reading this paragraph:

"Nabi Yagci and people of his ilk will not give up on their opinions which are borrowed from the junkyard of history unless they witness labour blows like the one on 15 and 16 of June."

48.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 30 Jul 2010 Fri 12:03 am

What kind of journalist would use the word "junkyard of history" in a objective piece?

49.       vineyards
1954 posts
 30 Jul 2010 Fri 01:14 am

The link takes you to a site proclaiming itself as a proponent of the labour movement in Turkey. Nabi Yagci excerpts from whose article was featured in thehandsom´s post was the former chairman of the Communist Party in Turkey. The article vents the frustration over Yagci´s role during the dissolving of the party and criticises the way he introduces himself as the party general secretary despite being one of the reasons why the party got dissolved in the first place.

 

50.       mylo
856 posts
 30 Jul 2010 Fri 01:42 am

Ready to enter Europe then?

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