This is really dangerous..

According to news sources, this is just a  scuffle turned into riot... Some other sources are quoting the incident as ´racists attacking Kurdish houses´ and a local pogrom...All the officials are called back to duty in the town (Iinegol/ Bursa)..  

Kurds and BDP are being shown as the target by the biggest racist party of Europe with the name of nationalism!!!

Is it how we are going to live together? 

http://www.todayszaman.com..s-scuffle-turns-into-riot.html

Just like what PKK want to accomplish. They want a civil war between Turks and Kurds. And we are heading for it.

Who knows maybe we should be thinking about not living together anymore.

 I think, as long as Turkish people dont question  ´why Turkey has the biggest racist and fascist party in Europe´, I am sure, we wont be able to live with anybody at all..

That is what the racists want : Turkey with Turks only..

Isn´t it a bit peculiar? In the morning of July 26th, a three South Eastern citizens enter a cafe in Inegöl and stab 5 persons. They are arrested by the police and kept in custody. While this is happening about 1000 Inegöl residents gather in front of the police headquarters and demand those three who are kept in custody. The police refuses and opens fire to drive away the mob and the crowd take revenge by rolling over a police patrol car and burning 8 other cars one of which is owned by a judge.

Through the evening four terrorists steal a car in Hatay and open fire to a patrol car waiting in front of the police headquarters killing 4 police officers.

This is just a one day account of a string of incidents that suspiciously began in the recent months. Your verdict is the same and instantly served: "Turkish people are racists. They deserve being attacked by the terrorists because of the problems in their social order."

On conquering Sinop, Alexander the Great stands before Diogenes and asks what the great philosopher would want from him and Diogenes famously answers:

"Just don´t cast your shadow on me."

What is the peculiarity here exactly?

It all started after MHP leader coming and making a speech in Inegol in a meeting. 

After the meeting, a Kurdish guy is being stopped in his minibus and was asked not to come there any more because he was Kurdish by the MHP party members (MHP´s equivalents are Le pen´ National French Assembly or British National Party !!) And then he was beaten badly!!!

That guy takes 3 friends and have fights with those fascists and there are ´alleged´ 5 stabbings!!! And than racist party members learn people in jail were Kurdish and their supporters  want those people from the security forces for LYNCHING..   

Then they threw stones to Kurdish houses; they burnt a shop because owner was Kurdish...Kurds got scared blocked the roads..

These are fascists!!! These are racists!! These people are similar to Germany´s racist party  members who attack Turks and burnt them and their houses..!!! 

I am going to repeat again

As long as Turkish people dont ask the question "why the biggest racist and fascist party in Europe is in Turkey" we wont be able to live with the Kurds!! 

OK now we are going into the political stances of those involved.

The guy who asked the truck driver to keep out from his district was a MHP guy. The existence of this person entitles the Kurd who was discriminated against to gather two more friends, arm themselves with knives and to organize an attack on the cafe stabbing five persons. Now this is your reasoning. You are not aware how inhuman this train of thought is.

You openly endorse murder if it is done for a cause. 

What do you mean I endorse murder?

Do you see anywhere I am endorsing murder in my posts?

This is a racist incident!! can you NOT see that? 

I am serious!!

dont you see that? can you NOT see it is  related to fascist party members? 

-MHP racist boys beat up a Kurdish minibus driver and  tell him keep out AFTER MHP MEETING.

-Kurdish guys go to the cafe and pick up a fight with them.. some get injured.. (kurds get taken into custody)

-THEN MAINLY FASCIST PARTY MEMBERS of a crowd want to take the guys from the police  station for lynching..

-Kurdish houses are stoned and Kurds blocked the roads because they thought they will be attacked by the racist party members  (WHICH WE VERY WELL KNOW  THEY DID IT IN THE PAST and capable of doing so)

What is it NOT RACIST IN this incident?!!

The two extrem groups keep disturbing us! We are sick of both of them! Thats like two incorrigible students who creates troubles in the classroom. If you can both shut up, we will live our lives. 

BTW, supporters of BDP can never talk about racism and fascism. Because as the handsome told before the supporters of that party do not vote for the service quality but for their race.

We are sick of both of you! We are sick of people who feds up with fights!

Then go and show your arm to the biggest fascist and racist party of Europe. Can you? Can you easily?

Go and say first you are against the racism!! And fight against the racism!!!

We are sick of racist people or people who get silence when they see the racism is coming from our own boys!! 

Of course, racists are not the only people who show blind eyes to the reality of this war: There are backwards/islamic people out there too who they think ´ahh if we promote our religion like we used to do 200 years´ ´or if we are muslim enough we dont need to fight.. Because we all are from the same god´ blah blah.. As if we asked where we are all from!! 

I dont think people should be silent about this issue, specially, when people are still dying!!

More people must come up and be against the war!!! 

That´s exactly what i mean. 

Although, MHP supporters are our guys, i clearly say that we are sick of their attitudes! 

Whatever you say for MHP,is valid for you too. Just your side is different. Also, you provaked those guys. Those guys do not kill soldiers in the mountains. They think that they save their country. Although, they are wrong, that is the effect that PKK created. You have no right to moan of it!

Anyone, who supports any of the fighting groups, is a part of the fight.

Why don´t you stop supporting the PKK?

I am not a racist at all.

And I am provoking the racists? how? by doing what?

You have no right to talk about it..

I am against the war FROM THE BEGINNING..

I never supported PKK. They are the result of Turkish racism nobody DARES TO CONDEMN Including you!!..

Why dont you go and read abit more about how why this war is about...

Start from the assimilation policies..go on seyh sait/dersim/come to your beloved kenan evren who banned kurdish/ then go to those soldiers burnt the villages/ go and check yuor jitem who killed 17.000..

Do you need proof or documents? Or your teachers have not come to that part yet?

Phew!!!

Dont branch out the issue now.

Do you support the fighters or not?

People, who are UNABLE TO UTTER A FEW WORDS about an incident which is almost 110% sheer racism and caused by the fascists and racists because they happened to be ´their boys´ , will come and accuse ME being a racist? 

One single post, anybody can show me one single post about me supporting racism? 

Phew!!!

You are the main racist in that forum!

Because you always talk about the foults of Turkish Goverment but you never ask if terrorism is wrong!

Didn´t you say BDP supporters vote for their race?

Didn´t you accept my ideas about local goverments in order BDP offers that too?

You do not think with your own brain. 

In a fight noone accepts that they are angry, but actually they certainly are. Just like that, You are a certain racist! 

Hvae you ever offered anything for the solution of the problem?

What do you contrubute for solution?

You just criticise people with ugly words but what is your offer for solution?

I think guys of MHP hit you a lot. You are out of brain!

Oha!!!

Yes.. a huge OHA!!!

How come me saying"BDP is voting for their race" shows "my racism"? tell me  Oeince the brightest person? eh? 

As I said.. Just show me one single post me promoting racism..

If you can not, you are a liar!!

OHA Yaaa...

Whenthe reality is being throwed out to your face clearly, OHA!

Show me a single post of your more than 6000 posts which criticise PKK!

You certainly support the fight. 

Really?

See..I was right.. You  can not say EVEN A SINGLE WORD to the racism when the racists are our boys!!

And you will find a solution!! I mean you..With that none exciting logic!! With that brightness!!

Phew!!!

So, since you can not come with any post me promoting racism, you are a liar!!

Single word!

One word of criticism about racism in Turkey?

I just dont spent time for unnecessery things like you. In that 3 months period, i certainly undersood that you are racist, hardliner, arrogant and non objective at all.

Re- Posting 6000 posts is more time consuming than finding a water melone picture. 

So i refer your profile.

You just debate, debate, debate....

Anything about solution.

I told several times that Turkish Goverment is not being managed well for 200 years. I know you are out of brain but are you out of eyes also?

What a discusting person you are!

You have seen nothing!!

Just one word about the racism in Turkey!!

One single word!!

You can not.. can you?

Because, they must be telling what you have in your heart..

And then you will turn around and accuse me being of a racist!!!

PHEW.!!!!

What you shall do is saying that!

Any kinds of illegal attacks, regardless who make those has to be stopped!

Thats all!

Why do you always branch out?

You are bored at home? 

You blame the guys of MHP from the beginning.

What now?

You think the other side is angel?

Be objective, if you don´t want to be called as racist!

Since you are unable to say a word about the racism.

what does it make you?

A racist? ignorant? double faced? what?

Obviously,

You are not the sharpest knife in the draw and YOU KNOW IT..

You can call me racist but I  think anybody with a little bit of brains will know I am not and I can not be..

Of course racism has to be condemned first!!! And for the people who are unable to of the condemn the racism:

I know there are double faced people and most of them dont walk as proud  about it!!!

Would you two guys please play nicely!

I knew that you can not understand what you read! I will repeat again and again.

The nations which has nothing to lose sticks on their race. They tell heroic stories to each other and try to achieve back their self confidence. That so called confidence makes people more nationalist and those are unable to stand others ideas.

The situation of PKK supporters like you is just like that. 

Turkey, passed of that way too. Together with the disrupt of organisational infrstructure about 200 years ago and by the the effects of French revaluation Turkey and Turkish people begin to be more nationalist too. That so called natiolism which do not criticize her own, coused political mistakes. However that nationalism didn´t turn to be racism anytimes. If Turkish people ever became racist, She could not survive in 3 continents for 500 years.

One has to be moderate when s/he says words. If s/he just talks with her feelings, s/he can never reach the truth.

That is what you are told. 

I dont think you know much about nationalism. You can  go and check what I wrote in my latest columns about nationalism how and when it is born etc..

It was Ottomans not Turks. Turkification and nationalism came to us 100 years ago with ittihat Ve Terakki.. That Turkish nationalism sorted out Armenians. Kurds were supressed and we tried to assimilate them all those years.. But they are not accepting it..

So before accusing anybody as racist, go and read something.. Start with my columns for example. Then read a bit more about how ´the skulls were measured´ to prove  the imaginary theories  for the nationalism you are unable to condemn..

if you dont THINK why "the biggest racist party in Europe" finds legitimacy in your own country  and you dont see its danger, you will only see its danger when our country is split because some others -like Kurds- said ´enough of your racism´. That is where we are going..

And Kurds are not the guilty ones here..

As long as you stick to ´skull measuring nationalism´ and  ´NOT UTTER A WORD´ about our home grown fascists and racists, you have no right to  accuse anybody with racism!!

You know what´s funny about all this... In another thread there was a sexist remark about women who keep fighting... but it seems that the women on here agree that the two boys here should keep their hands to themselves and stop picking on eachother

I think you should write in English so that you can show your qualities!!

I think you should write in English..Apart from language in forum is not Turkish; you should write in English so that everybody can see YOUR  quality..

I am hoping that mod with ´the power ´will delete those Turkish posts

Still Turkish?

Come on.. Show your ´qualities´ to everyone!! Dont be shy!!

Yawn

I am also a human si++

I also have a patience limit

Never mind. Just ignore him.

+1000..

Otherwise, a total disaster!!

I have removed posts written in Turkish. The language of the forums is English.

 I was hoping you would remove the English ones too!

Turkey is going through a very sensitive period. Our citizens are being targeted by a terrorist organization. There is anger and frustration over this. Disorder and chaos are two major objectives of terror. Crowds probably manipulated by provocators fall into this trap and turn their anger into acts of civil disobedience. These are very sad developments and somewhat reminiscient of the aftermath of 9/11. On losing about 3000 people, some people in the US began a witch hunt declaring muslims as the enemy. This negative sentiment is still going strong today. It is in human nature to become hostile when subjected to terror and agression. This is also one of the major objectives of terror. They want you to distrust and disobey existing coercion. It is only through this way that terrorists can hope to realize their objectives.

 Sorry, I wrote that late in the night before going to bed.

I didn´t add the above....it seems vineyards did. Why does this message say I wrote it, but I didn´t write all of it. Both his messages and mine have been combined into one...???

While we are on it....7-11 is the name of an international convenience store chain. Do you have them in Turkey too?

I think there have been some funny happenings here too.  This morning I wasn´t logged in, but it had the ´modify´ option displayed under another user´s name (can´t remember which one now), at the top of their post.  Of course I clicked on it to see what would happen but it denied me because I wasn´t logged in.  I wonder what would have happened if I had been logged in?

More articles about these incidents:

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/columnists-217480-social-harmony-at-risk.html

The Hürriyet daily’s Sedat Ergin says the unrest that broke out in İnegöl and Dörtyol are an indication of the fact that social harmony is on thin ice in Turkey. “Both incidents reveal that simmering ethnic tension between different segments of the population has the potential to turn into civil unrest upon the slightest trigger, especially following an increase in PKK attacks. As seen in the riots in İnegöl and Dörtyol, a small provocation is sufficient to cause major social conflict,” ...

The Sabah daily’s Emre Aköz, a sociologist, says the riots in İnegöl must be taken very seriously ... it is likely that the riot was provoked by shadowy forces. “The incident had nothing to do with alcohol or ignorance. The İnegöl case was an operation, a planned scheme. If the plan had not worked in İnegöl, it would have been put into action somewhere else,” says Aköz.

The Vatan daily’s Ruşen Çakır says....the same problem lies beneath all of them: Turkey’s long-standing Kurdish problem. ...

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Hurriyet

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p..2010-07-28

Even somebody´s teacher put his opinions:

Sedat Laçiner,..said the attacks and clashes that have occurred in the country’s eastern and southeastern regions have been fueled by the PKK, but called those in the west, including İnegöl, “the result of provocative actions triggered by some who call themselves nationalists and pretend to be against the PKK.”

I don´t know what happened. I just edited my own message and corrected 7/11 as 9/11.

Yes, at least until some time ago we had 7/11 in Turkey. I remember the chain was owned by the husband of our former prime minister Tansu Çiller. They were like convenience stores that were open round the clock. So, when no stores were open you would drive to the nearest 7/11. I don´t see them anymore. Maybe they have gone bankrupt or something. Maybe other members know what happened to them.

OK. I´ve read the article written by Nabi Yagci, the former secretary general of Turkish Communist Party. I´ve found an extensive article featuring him exclusively:

http://www.iscimucadelesi.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=404&Itemid=69

I have also found a strange similarity between you and him after reading this paragraph:

"Nabi Yagci and people of his ilk will not give up on their opinions which are borrowed from the junkyard of history unless they witness labour blows like the one on 15 and 16 of June."

What kind of journalist would use the word "junkyard of history" in a objective piece?

The link takes you to a site proclaiming itself as a proponent of the labour movement in Turkey. Nabi Yagci excerpts from whose article was featured in thehandsom´s post was the former chairman of the Communist Party in Turkey. The article vents the frustration over Yagci´s role during the dissolving of the party and criticises the way he introduces himself as the party general secretary despite being one of the reasons why the party got dissolved in the first place.

Ready to enter Europe then?

I dont know who you are but you tad bit missed the point.. The point was not the writer but what he has written.. 

What is wrong  him pointing at the ´race hatred´ in Turkey and saying that it is crime against humanity? Specially, everybody seems to agree ´there is not hate racism but OUR PATRIOTIC BOYS  are being provoked´ ? If we are sure "there is no hatred towards Kurds" why would that statement will bother us? eh ?  

Why is Nabi yagci´s former position is important is another thing.. Obviously, he has lived all the political storms in Turkey and now he is a good, old, full of wisdom, experienced guy. He has never been my hero but I like what he writes:

Hatred of race is crime against humanity.. It will always be!! 

It seems like "the deep state" again!!

I was right about my suspicions for this incident.. This is again the state using MHP racists to create yet another pogrom!!

Just like they did in "Maras Massacre"!!

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The prospects of a provocation behind an attack at first believed to have been carried out by the Kurdistan Workers´ Party (PKK) that claimed the lives of four police officers in the Dörtyol district of Hatay last week and the ensuing ethnic conflict that erupted in the town are becoming stronger with the discovery of the involvement of gendarmerie intelligence, JITEM, in the incident.                                                                                                                            
Dörtyol was the scene of high tension last week that began on Monday when four police officers were killed in a terrorist attack on a police cruiser, after which a nationalist group set the district´s pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party´s (BDP) office ablaze, chanting slogans against the terrorist PKK. Tensions ran high in the city throughout last week.

.... before and after the attack in which members of the gendarmerie were involved, strengthening the possibility of a deliberate provocation.

Yesterday, the Bugün daily reported that the automobile used by the suspected PKK terrorists to attack the police officers belonged to Bestami Kiliç, a member of the Payas Municipality City Council from the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP). Kiliç claimed that he had been kidnapped by PKK terrorists before the incident and that his automobile was used in the attack. Gendarmerie intelligence reports revealed that Kiliç met with three officers from the gendarmerie´s intelligence unit known as JITEM several hours before the PKK attack. The meeting took place at a mine that belongs to Kiliç, and the officers were reportedly in civilian attire.

JITEM is an illegal intelligence unit inside the gendarmerie whose existence has thus far been denied by the General Staff despite a growing body of evidence proving its existence and activities.

...

http://www.todayszaman.com/t..aises-prospects-of-provocation-in-dortyol.html

Only the brain-washed Nurcu team and their liberal companions can believe and relate Dörtyol incidents to deep state as they try to realte all PKK actions to Ergenekon fairy tale in order to justify terrorism, so not surprising today´s zaman the voice of Nurcu team sooner or later will relate it to deep state, actually they have been preparing since one week.

It is easy to find out who were behind the Hatay terrorist attacks, just need to ask who benefited from it? In the light of wider perspective, it is actually well-known that Nurcu team and liberals are wanting the Gendarmerie to be abolished, professionalized and to be associated with Police Department, so it can be fully under the control of Ministry of Interior. It is also known that Police Deprtament has been seized by Nurcu team, and Gendarmerie is very important for them since Gendarmeire takes the responsibility of following reactionary, bigotted and missionary actions. By this way they plan to break the connection of TSK with public. TESEV has been struggling to achieve this for years. And with the help of Dörtyol incidents, they achieved to stop the assignation of Saldıray Berk who was thought to be the top General of Gendarmeire this year, and with many fabricated evidences the assignation of ten generals are also stopped. It seems AKP very much benefited from the incidents to reach their aim, one more step closer. Can we say AKP is in collaboration with PKK? Absolutely, it is clear as day, their connection with terrorist leader was also proved...

It is really interesting people still dont associate this incident to the others like Kahramanmaras where deep state organized and used MHP members as trigger-men to stage a pogrom or massacre!!
The official version of the events so far:
-PKK attacks a police vehicle and kills 4 policemen (by using a car)
-MHP members -our boys!!- then attacked the Kurdish districts and BDP (Kurdish party) buildings. Burnt some of them..
-Suddenly we all started to think ´a civil war is looming´
But then we learnt that
-The car used for attacking the police belongs to ´acting head of municipal government´ and he is from MHP (the racist party of Turkey)!!!
And according to him (his version)
-While he was driving in a remote location he comes across JITEM members(he calls them ´Gendarme intelligence personnel dressed in civilian clothes´. He chats with them..he obviously knows them)!!!
-5 Minutes later (after leaving them) PKK members stops him and they confiscate his car..(3 of them leave with the car and 2 of them take him as hostage right there; they are taking his phone and keeping him there for 4 hours and release him)
-then later  a rumors of ´PKK members got caught and they are in the police station´. MHP members gather infront of the station etc..

It looks like ´the dirtiness´ of this war was not dirty enough, now , we might be  entering the stages where the deep state and MHP members are ´the experts´!!PKK seems to be doing everything for clearing their path too!!!

This is a ´foolproof´ MHP-deep state working together incident to me..
I think, in old days, police would be in that group too.. We learnt what happened in  maras/cankiri/malatya incidents much much later.. But this time, I guess, because police is not in that group, we are learning much more quickly..
And this time, I assume, we have a greater chance of preventing a blood bath!!

So you think, they executed this with such a bad plan, at this time of Turkey where everybody even avoid to use their phone in order to prevent phone-listenings, only naives and Nurcu team believe this. It is not that simple as i explained in my previous post, actually i havent detailed much, there are other issues as well... 

PKK with the support of their extension in Turkish Assembly (BDP), are preparing for the next step of what they call "Democratic autonomy".
At the municipalities where a member of BDP is elected, they will open "Kurdistan" flags. Two meetings were held for discussing this next move, one in Diyarbakır and the other at Kandil (PKK headquarter).
It´s expected that Karayılan, the current leader of PKK, will announce it within this week. They also plan to establish regional assemblies.

What does all this mean?
East and South-East of Turky will be bact to to the pre-1990 days when the terror was all around. Turkish state will of course take steps to prevent the PKK moves and PKK plans to provoke all the Kurds for resisting to Turkish state in return. The final aim is to start Kurdish resistence by all the Kurds in the region including the city centers. They are also aiming to turn this resistence into a international conflict. Of course the final aim is an independent Kurdish state in the East and Sout-Esat of Turky.

Quoted from: here

I posted this message. It seems it has become anonymous. There is some sort of freaky thing going on with this thread. Could it be Poltergeist?

What a bigoted view from  Fatih Altayli, one of the ´white Turks´.. 

When people like him call Kurds with every single racist slur such as ´they are primitive; they are feudal; they give birth to 5 kids; they are second class  blah blah´ and then turn around and make their view  shamelessly  such as ´why do we need to live with them; we should split from the Kurds etc´, everything is fine!!

But if the Kurds talk about "Democratic autonomy", they can NOT.. 

Mother of bigoted views!!

Apart from being  unoriginal, his view does not take into account the fact that ´they are just talking; they are not taking arms to impose their views´. 

In the end, it is a classical case of how a ´common white Turks´ sees the situation!!