Merhaba,

I notice in turkish series a high fashion in clothes what is the fashion now in turkish is it like

the europ fashion or what ?

and what the kind of hijab in turkey

is any site about this please reply

thanks

Turkey has it´s own unique style in clothes. Ofcourse they also wear European style clothes, but I have noticed that Turkey has loads of good designers, who seem to have a style whcih mixes modern and "old Turkish" influences.

Regarding the hijab, there are many different styles in Turkey. I have seen the more urban women mostly wear this style:

This is from the website: http://www.hijabstyle.co.uk/2007/11/turkish-style.html

And I have seen the women from more rural areas mostly wear this style:

many thanks barba _mama

what about fashion in clothes is any site about this please

http://www.silkcashmere.com/

thanks AlphaF

Veil has been banned in schools of Syria, by the religious authorities.

Well done !

How come it´s applauded if a Muslim country does it, but it´s labelled as racist when a European country does the same?

 Agree!  Recently there was a case in the UK where an PM refused to meet women who wear the full burka (with just the eyes showing) and I don´t blame him either.  It is disrespectful in my view.

Its just a normal thing to want to see a persons face while conversing. Just my opinion, maybe there are people who dont care whom they talk to?

Hipocracy?

Err I think you misread my post!   He would not see women who cover their faces.  The women are disrespectful not him!  I agree with him......

You! You make me laugh. Now go back and read my post again.

I said everyone wants to see. Which means if you come to me with covered face I would insist to open it. If not then I will have to refuse to speak to you because I need to see the face Im talking to unless you have a disfigured gace and you are ashamed.

Its a natural thing we want to converse face to face, not to burka to burka.

how I can make this eşarp style and what is the high somthing in the back of the head is this the hair I think it is a beautiful hijap style

 Behind the head its not all the time the hair...they like to put something to give the fake impression that only must be a long beautiful hair 

 thanks zeytinne

Usually it´s a bun of long hair, but if you have shorter hair you can make the impression of long hair by just using a very puffy elestic-band for your hair. Make a small tail on that part of that head before you put the under-headscarf on it.

Hmm... for me look ridiculous with that big long head...remembers me of Oblio 

this is a very nice cartoon..even it is more for adults

I know there is also a word for Islamic fashion in Turkey, but I forgot what it was... Maybe some locals can help with it? I heard somebody say it about the style with the long jackets and such.

We see young women wearing hijabs kissing their boy friends in parks. They say God ordered women to cover their bodies. I don´t know about the kissing in public places part.

In Turkey, there has lately been a massive exchange of capital between Islamists and non-Islamists. With so much money coming in their way thanks to the AKP regime, they appear in expensive convertable cars cruising through fashionable streets.

It is good in a way. A considerable proportion of the population has now become significantly more affluent. They are in a process of learning about the more colorful aspects of life. They have discovered fashion, the need for looking attractive and have converted themselves a bit in the process. Since they are the ones with the means to enjoy a lush life, they have been able to acquire more diversified and more sophisticated tastes. All this has been the beginning of a transformation from the patriarchal family model. Money transforms everything. Nevertheless stereotypes generally trail behind.

That´s a tad like trying to trick God, isn´t it? And I think it´s common in all religions. I´ve often wondered why women who consider their hair to be so arousing that it´d better be kept away from men´s sight, would put on so much make-up. If you´re into being humble and plain, then your hair is not the biggest issue, is it?

It´s like Catholic bigots who get on their knees and want to protect a wooden cross standing illegaly in front of the Polish presidential palace as if their afterlife depended on it, and would kill anyone who dares to claim that crosses should be in churches, not in the streets. Or like Catholic drunks beating their wife and kids, cheating their friends but standing in the front row in church.

People are pathetic. No, not all, just about 99% of them

The double standard (like the hijab and kissing) is also I see just in the fashion itself. I have seen plenty of girls wearing a hijab, but also wearing very skinny jeans, showing every curve of their bodies, or wearing short skirts with some thights under it. I don´t mind them doing that. It´s between them and God. I only have problems with it, when they try to read me a lesson about how I am bad because I don´t cover my hair... Well, at least I cover my *ss

 tesettür giyim?

 yes if any gril do that she is surely not right and the measure of the people is the ethics and what they are doing not what they are dressed

That is mainly because the Turkish rightest politicians are focused primarily on "heads". What if they were more focused on *sses than heads???

I´m very worried with the state of men´s sexuality if they get more turned on by hair, than by the shapes of a woman´s body But each their own, I guess.

You seem to know much about the subject....Pray, tell us what you think it is in women, that effectively and ethically should turn men on....

I want to make sure I am not some kind of a pervert .....

The short summary, everything that gets effected by female hormones, should physically turn a hetero sexual male on (I´m not talking about personality here, just the body). Hair is something even young children have. Other parts of the body that do change after puberty, like the hips of a woman and other shapes, should be more sexually attractive.

If only if it were so easy as it is summed up in your question. Turkey is a Muslim country. You know populationwise it is on a par with countries like the UK and Germany. There is not a single opinion about whether to ban veil.

Hijab is not singularly a religious rule but more like a tradition for countries like Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, Poland etc. That means they complement the rules of their religion with the traditions of their own. Most urban people have roots in the village where in a rural life style, women must cover their hair and wear longer and more casual looking skirts. Since they also want to appear attractive, they often ornament their garments with emroidery, lacework or fabric painting. When you go to a village, you could see attractive young women doing their daily work. Like all aspects of their life, their garments look natural being the products of their own culture.

The West considers veil and hijab as strictly religious symbols and impose a ban on them on the ground that religious symbols are not allowed in public places. To what extent this conforms with the general attitude of the public in Europe is a matter of question. This is being done for the purpose of protecting children from stereotypes during their education. In Turkey, veil is considered as a religious symbol but those scarves worn by the villagers are not considered as such. As a matter of fact there is a huge difference between these two.

Islamists as they are called fought for the cause for decades calling for freedom to hijab. Their party is in power now. They have gained a number of rights but various institutions in Turkey including the military, the justice system and the local municipalities do their best to resist the transformation of the country into an Islamic regime.

One of the underlying reasons of veil must be cutting off women from social life as much as possible. I don´t think this is an Islamic rule, most experts say there is not such a verse in Quran. It might be an Arabic tradition. While depicting the social life of the Arabs at the time of Mohammad, the Quran makes references to how people bury their daughters in sand to get rid of them. Maybe, they needed boys who could protect their families during a period dominated by bandits. As far as I know the rules of inheritance favoured the male sex even before Islam. It was customary to offer for the father of a girl to offer some sort of a drahoma to a man wishing to marry her. 

In a society, with such primitive traditions Islam must have been like a revolution. There a a number of ethical rules in Islam which are hard to obey. Having become obsessed with religion with an equally strong unethical background (from a Western point of view) which the Quran names as "the period of ignorance"  (cahiliye devri) Arabic people developed a dual thinking strategy. Since, everything is done in the name of Allah, there is no way for women to wake up to the reality. They feel they live their lives in line with the teachings of Quran. I can´t judge them nor can I change the world for them. No freedom is gained without striving for it. In order to strive for a cause you must have a burning desire to accomplish it. Presently, it is a different world with a different set of realities. The world will never be perfect. There will always be problems as long as there are people around.

Here is a curious question. Do you think Santa Claus is a religious symbol? He is featured in cartoons, children´s books and man wearing Santa outfit freely walk in the streets. The outfit can be instrumental in hiding one´s identity or even sex. That´s why it is sometimes used by robbers.

If Santa is a religious symbol then Santa outfits must also be banned.

P.S. I am not even talking about the sisters in monasteries.

In my opinion, a ban on veils in lower education is good. When a child of 10 years old starts to "hide her attractive features", I get deeply worried. It can never be a well thought choice, at the age of 10. That means that she wears it out of pressure from her environment. Faith should be something between the individual person and God. But in Turkey it is often a relationship between the individual person and what the local society (family, friends, neighbours) thinks of you. I don´t have a clear opinion on scarfs in universities in Turkey, because I think the people going to universities are well-thinking adults (in general ). I myself am used to seeing scarfs in the university, because it´s normal in Holland. But I do understand why it was banned in Turkey... on the other hand, I feel like adults can make their own choices, regarding their religion. As long as their face is visible... Hmm, difficult.

By the way, this all reminds me of the lawsuit against Muazzez Cig 

and yet I haven´t seen women younger than 70 or 80 wearing a scarf in Poland. I remember my late grandma would sometimes wear one when it was too cold for her to go without anything on her head but it was too warm for a fur or woolen hat. And my late grandpa would consider it rude to go out of the house without a hat. In Turkey you have lots of young girls wearing scarves so it´s not a matter of distant past. Also, all these who wear scarves are Muslim, so it must have something to do with religion after all.

The Polish scarf had nothing to do with religion, it was a fashion statement (or as you said something typical for villagers that got imported into city life) although I have read somewhere that in the Middle Ages a married woman was required to wear a veil (not covering the face). It´s been a while since then though...

Scarfs were very fashionable in the ´60s and ´70s as well, for Western women.

Young religious girls usually wear tesettür style(hijab) in Turkey. Scarves(Eşarp) usually prefered by village girls as can be seen in the second pic posted by barba in her first post.

I think if an gril  do a bad things and wear hijab she is surely bad but the wrong in what the person doing not what the person wearing

I do have a problem with that approach. Why do those girls have to be angels? Why do they have to live consistent? Do we always live like we believe? Are we wonderful? Why do they have to be wonderful? In order they wear sth. visible on their heads? I believe that they have the right to be incoherent at least as much as us. Emphaty please. These are just teenagers or young ladies who watch the vampire movies and fall in love with the vampire guy. They have the same passions and wonders as their peers have. Although these "kissing girls" or "*ss showing" girls are a very minor group of covered girls, i think it is not favourable to talk about anyone´s personal choices and acts.

Those girls are socially tortured. They are victims of mobbing. Not just matured people in that site high officers and politicians even talk about how they shall get dressed and how they shall act. That aristocratic paparazzi show has to end as soon as possible. Because while we otherize a significant group of young people, we also destroy the trust relation between the community and state. 

We should focus on what these girls are capable to produce rather than how they are capable to turn the man on. Education and working bans for covered girls not just socially suppress these girls but also lacks us from their production capacity.

If you read my post again, you´ll see that I don´t have a big problem with those girls, but I do GET a problem with them when they start reading me a lesson about what I should or should not do. If they want to wear a scarf, fine. If they want to show their ass at the same time...fine. But I do not appreciate them at the same time saying I´m not dressed proper because I chose to hide my *ss, but not my hair. I think that is hypocritical. And hypocracy becomes more visible with such a clear religious statement as a headscarf. I think this is also a matter of age. The headscarf as a religious object is something that should be a conscious choice. If you are 14, 15 years old, put that scarf on, but at the same time put on your skinny jeans, perhaps you are not ready to make choices like that. I believe that in that case it´s not really the girls that make the choice. That is why I think scarfs should be banned, minimum at lower school, and perhaps also in middle school up to the age of 16. Otherwise the girls can be judged in school for their religion, instead of their personality. Why else do you have school uniforms in school? At university, that´s a different story.

Well, I think I was pointing out to an obvious contradiction. I am not seeking to demonize these people but a contradiction is a contradiction and theirs is quite a remarkable one. At least, it is for me.

It´s not like the girls wearing scarves cannot make mistakes or be "inconsistent." It´s just that choosing the scarf is a declaration of what´s supposed to be purity, modesty and innocence - all of these by choice. So, if you choose to scream at the world that these are the values you stand for, don´t be surprised you´ll be judged more critically if you say one thing and do another.

Likewise, a priest having sex with a prostitute is usually considered more morally reprehensible than an average Joe Doe.

 Interesting Barba....but the styles you have here are just abreviations. Humans, young women in particular seem to get bored with the same ol same ol...thus they try to come up with new styles. Turkish Islamic fashion is very popular now in the Islamic fashion world.

As Muslim women take places in the professional world, they look for appropriate garb. Hijab Style is just one of the blogs devoted to developing hijab styles.  Another matter, is the new ability to now see what other Muslimah sisters are doing around the world, this expands style consciousness.

I had the opportunity to spend time in Morocco in the 70s, at that time most women wore full hijab via a long coat called a jellaba. Most wore the niqab as well. It was amazing to see all the different ways they were worn. I saw young women on motorcycles, prostitutes and many other young and old women wearing full veils. They were able to communicate very efficiently with only their eyes showing. People forget body posture & movements are also communicative.

I even wore one myself. I was dressed by the ladies of the home I was staying in. When I went to the American Express office & showed my passport, I was not asked to remove my face veil. The persons checking my ID could tell by looking at my eyes, that I was the person in the passport photo.

Wearing the full hijab and niqab was actually a very liberating experience. It was sort of like being invisible or visible when I wanted.  Another time in New York City,  I wore a Afghani Burqa on a dare. My friends said they would give it to me if I would walk around in it for a little while. Of course, I accepted the challange. What was amazing is when I went into some shops I knew, they recognized me. I won the burqa.

It´s a shame head covering has become so politicized. The covering on one´s face has been practiced in many cultures other than Islam. If anyone has seen any Japanese or Chinese movies, one will note veiled characters. In the opening scene of Rashomon, the female character is wearing a hat with a full face covering veil. The same style was in popular use in Korea in the early 20th Century. In fact veils have a long history

The above is a more traditional way wear the Turkish yazma0 You see, the little decorations go around the face. This is a little more complicated way to wrap than the simple tie under the chin style.

 But you don´t really know why a woman is wearing a scarf. It could be her family insists she wear it, or maybe she just is having a bad hair day.

If it´s forced upon her by her family, then it´s a terrible thing and a reason to ban such means of oppression. I doubt liberated women would wear a scarf just because of having a bad hair day. At least I hae never seen my friends (from any country and cultural background) do it. Au contraire, these who go for scarf (yes, I have friends who wear a scarf) always have a religious reason to it

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Ideally we should all be free to wear whtever we want. Alas, it´s never bound to happen as some would choose niquabs while others would rathe run around naked. I don´t really have a problem with women wearing scarves (not that my opinion matters haha) as long as it´s their choice. However I´m strongly against any type of clothing that covers one´s face

 It very much depends on where you are. Turkey has a very highly developed garment industry and one can find the latest European fashions, or the latest in Islamic fashions.

Of course in the cities, one would find more "Western" styles being worn.

As I said, it´s too bad it´s become such a political thing. I think they are lovely.

I don´t think that the ones who wear scarves scream anything to the world. They are not responsible of anything. They don´t represent any belief. We can´t categorize them as representers of sth. They just live their life. They just have their unique way. They just choose to wear a scarf and its all. They can be great believers or can be prostitudes no matter.And i think noone has the right to judge their choice.

Do we talk about non-scarved young ladies special life? So I wonder why the people can talk as they wish about covered girls? We may see that they declare talking about someones special life and choices is inethical when the subject is any different young ladies choices. This is the main dilemma or "inconsistency" i guess. Do we actually can´t stand the ones who doesn´t look like us? 

We may see many people who insistently say, "accept me as i am", "accept me with my goods and foults" why these ones don´t accept the others as they are. and feel that they have the right to talk about young ladies special life?

Everyone has the right to live as they wish without being judged unless they don´t harm others.

And about the bans, an individual origined goverment don´t mass up with her citizens dress.

BTW, i have to say that, the *ss showing girls who are subject to those posts, are a very minor group and the amount of them is statisticly insignificant. I also live in those streets...

No, you can´t turn a donkey into a zebra just by painting stripes on it. Those people wearing veils, hijab and similar garments do this because they believe God orders them to severe visual contact with men other than their husbands, and close relatives. Those who knocked the doors asking for votes on behalf of AKP invariably vore scarves and they afforded quite a strong political interest group when the former government tried to deny those refusing to submit photographs taken without a veil, of a chance to enter university exams. They organized large scale demonstrations demanding the right to become doctors or nurses or to enter university exams. They would not examine male patients, therefore would not be eligible for the job. Still violation of all existing international regulations governing the aforementioned professions would be no problem for them. These people were not doing all this just for the hell of it. They indeed regard scarf a symbol not only religious but also political. So, I may have a problem with this trend, movement or whatever it may be. If these people are a bunch of teens wearing hijab just for fun and wishing to enter the university exams anonymously because they think that would be fun too, I also would like to be a part of the fun myself. Can I take an exam wearing a mask? Can I become a doctor even if I declare that I will not touch a female patient even if she is having a heart attack?

Furthermore, we have never said, these people can´t wear what they want. It is their decision. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. It is just that we don´t need the urge to have empathy with people kissing their boy friends in public places wearing hijab. In Turkish there is a saying, "Bu ne perhiz, bu ne lahana turşusu." roughly meaning something like this: You say you are on a diet but what about those cookies?

 Vineyards,

I realize this is an internal Turkish issue, and sentiments are very volitile around the issue. I just wish that it were not. It´s just a piece of fabric that has become a hot button issue.

A woman can´t even wear these styles like Audrey Hepburn, Jackie O these days without sparking controversy. As I have said in the past, there are many reasons to cover one´s head, religion is one of them, but there are others. I know women who wear head coverings when they have chemotherapy, or they don´t want the wind to mess up their hair, they are having a "bad hair day", they have sensitive ears and the breeze is annoying or maybe they just like the way it looks.  So what if they cover their heads?  Why make such a big deal about it?

On the other hand, can you imagine being in a situation where you were forced to expose your bare chest? Obviouslythere are a significant amount of women who feel overly exposed by having to go bare headed.

The other issues you mentioned are other things, more complicated and I don´t want to get into in this thread.

By the way, it was considered a status symbol in early days for a person to have the right to be covered.

Ah yes...those cookies.....one should always be discreet......

The ones who wear scarves has the right to live under equal conditions with the ones who do not wear scarves. No one has the right to judge them. No one has the right to ban them from public rights, education rights and working rights. It is shameful to talk about their special lives.

The doctor issue is absolutely wrong. Such as my dentist is covered and she is a great dentist. You can see covered doctors in special hospitals and they are addicted to their Hipokrat promise. Uğur Mumcu says "we mustn´t have ideas without information"

Scarf is just a choice. They don´t represent anything. They just live their life. Hovewer, even if it was a symbol of a belief so what? Assume that there are budhists in Turkey, will we ban Budhists orange dresses just because they wear it due to a belief? Are we a society which is that much abnormal? Don´t they have the same rights as we have?

I am really sad to see people get blind when they talk about a group which they don´t like. Let me remind you that; if we do not defend peoples´ rights just because we do not agree with their ideas, we can not find anybody who defend us when our rights are getting destroyed.

I don´t have a problem with doctors with a scarf. It has nothing to do with her brain, which is the part she will use to cure me I do have one example which irritated me. My university also has a medical department. The university is known for practice-style education. So, we don´t just have exams and read books, we have hands on practice. In the business department, this means going to real businesses and writing business plans for them. In the medical education this means that the students, from the second year onwards, practice on eachother. For example, the listen to eachothers heart. The students who enroll in the university know this. When for an exam, the students had to undress the top of their body (the girls could keep their bra on), a girl with a headscarf complained about this. I don´t agrew with this complaint. She knew when she enrolled in the university that this was the style of education. A big fight (verbally and through letters and such) followed, but in the end she didn´t pass the course. I think the university was correct here. The girl said the university was forcing her to take of her scarf, and not respecting her religion. I say the university was using the same standards for every student, and not changing the rules of exams (which she already knew before she entered the university) because of one person.

I think people are allowed to express their religion with, for example, a headscarf. However, they can´t expect the world to change according to their wishes.

http://tinypic.com/r/8ywbr6/4

I live in Turkey- istanbul, and dress like this. Some times, short dresses, skirts etc..

I sometimes walk around in my boxer at home. I also wear a pair of 3D glasses and look like a techno nerd. Did I mention? I speak five languages.

Hm, 3D glasses.... sexy!

Every part may count...there is no exception....

There is a difference between sexual attraction (when your hormones start raging) and a different kind of attraction (more of the mind). If finger nails turn you on sexually, I would go see the doctor.

Scarf, worn as declaration of a certain religious faith, is a personal choice; but so are the dentists..I could not care less if my lady dentist was totally nude, so long as I have the freedom to chose my own dentist.

Getting involved in a traffic accident with a scarved lady driver, and then ending up in a court resided by a scarved lady judge however, is a totally different ball game.

Can anyone see the difference ?

Here is an interesting historical clue to the origins of "Turban", the type of headscarves some Moslem girls claim to signify their personalities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headscarf

If some Moslem (?) idiots prefer to imitate Jewish traditions to prove their devotion to Islam...so be it.

Islam comes from Judaism anyway, so they can´t denounce everything that is a bit like Judaism. Otherwise Muslims would also have to start eating pork, not believe in one god, not believe in the stories of Abraham, Noah, and all that.

If hadiths are scrutinized, anyone can realize how Islam is deeply affected by Jewish and Christian traditions and beliefs. All these got involved in Islam by these hearsay hadiths which was written by two centuries after Muhammed as well as loads of christian and jewish converts. One example; in judaism it is believed that Eve was created from rib of Adam, you can see same in hadiths but not in Quran. But the interesting thing is whwn you go and ask a regular muslim about this today, you will possibly get exactly the same answer that Judaism claims which is called "İsrailiyat". There are many of them in hadiths which are not supported by Quran. These hadiths collectors also say Quran is missing so in their little mind they tried to complete it. And they are still called "sahih" today, how tragicomic!! is it not? 

Quran claims it verifies and authenticates the books which was revealed before. But It also claims the books which was revealed before lost their authentication. And that is why Quran was revealed.

Yeah, I had the weirdest discussion with a Muslim friend of mine, years back. She had some question about Judaism, and where the Jews get their beliefs from. I told about the torah and such. She asked me the strangest thing... "but Jews don´t really believe in the original torah right? Thing have changed since then"... I was in shock! I explained to her that no, everything is still as it was. Why else would they call themselves Jews, if they don´t believe in the basics of Judaism? She was the first to explain to me that Muslims believe that somehow things got changed, and that Muslims believe that Jews actually believe in some kind of deformed religion. I wonder why she thought Jews would also think they believe in some deformed religion.

Anyway... having read the Quran, in a Dutch translation, I think that in the Quran itself it kind of assumes that a woman is already wearing a veil, as was the custom back then. Doesn´t it say something like (in much prettier words) let you veil cover the general booby area? I don´t know if assuming a woman wears a hair-covering veil is the same as demanding that a woman wears a hair-covering veil.

In Judaism there is also not a big story behind the reason for covering your hair. It just says something about not showing your hair after your married. No explanation, just do it

"In Judaism there is also not a big story behind the reason for covering your hair. It just says something about not showing your hair after your married. No explanation, just do it "

KNOW-ALL

It is natural that god willed hair and head be protected by some cover (against the sun), considering the climate Jews and Arabs come from. It would have been weird had he ordered open and shaved heads...like in the Budhist tradition.

It is one thing to believe in a protective and pragmatic god, yet another thing to make a fool of oneself by believing that god´s will is to make people hide their hair.

 Lol... You don´t know my religious background, it seems I´m not making fun of other people´s religion, and I´m not making fun of Judaism. It is just the plane truth. While in Islam, there are some explanations of why you should cover yourself, in Judaism it just say "cover you hair" without a reason why. That doesn´t have anything to do with God´s reasons, it just means that this is what is stated in religious texts. Jews don´t believe that God has to explain Himself to people all the time. But it´s nice to know that you seem to know what God is thinking.

Any effort towards bringing humans closer to an understanding of the way god thinks must be the main objective of any religion.

What else are the religions for ? 

In Islam, Quran supersedes all other books. Means only Quran is enough according to muslims. So it is normal for your friend to think Jews believe in a deformed religion but not Jews themselves of course. I hope it is clear now. Btw I begin to think you are such a pouplar gal, you have too many friends.

Lastly as for your question, the answer depends on the meaning of Arabic word "zeenathuna" which we say in Turkish "ziynet" and we mostly use it as the equivalent of English word ornament or jewellery. But there is a discussion about this word between scholars if it means special parts of body(such as boobs as you mentioned) or ornament/decoration. So far in many cultures i have not seen women showing their boobs to their male servants who are needless or to their brothers or their children (except maybe breast feeding). Anyway if you want to leran more, go and search Arabic term "ma malakat ayman", you will possibly understand what i mean...

Yeah but Jews don´t eat pork!!??

I read the Koran and it says ´Women should display themselves modestly´ says nothing about a veil, just dress modestly or have I read it wrong?

I guess if you want to make your profit off the religion that already has existed for centuries, the easiest way is to call yourself the upgrade. What Mohamet did was no different from what Henry VIII or Joseph Smith jr did. Instead of coming up with something original, they just took whatever was convenient and showed it in a new light knowing that most people buy whatever they hear without reasoning.

I think women are expected to cover their hair in Judaism because of the times when the book was written - as it is no magical text able to predict fashion and technology for centuries ahead, it took for granted that the way things were was the natural way. This also explains why the big three religions are so sexist, backward and similar.

Mohhamed and Jesus were the same as Henry the 8th? Is what you´re saying?

It can be seen like that from the eyes of an atheist. But for the ones who believe in a Creator, the answer is simple because God´s message was always the same from the beginning and people love to corrupt it, it is valid for all religions not only Abrahamic ones, God says He sent messengers to all nations, so not much surprising to see similiraties in world religions.

I agree

I know, that´s why I feel a great relief being an atheist that I do not have to choose which religion is true after all and who the false prophet was...

It is amazing when you study all the major religions and see the similarity in all of them. The heart of all major religions say the same thing. It´s the embellishments that change.

If one looks at the earlier Gilgamesh Epic and Genesis, it´s interesting how similar they are.

The collective consciousness of humanity seems to agree on the existance of a Higher Being. We get hung up on names, but there are many names to discribe this Being.

My friend thought that Jews also believed that their religion was deformed, and this was strange to me. Oh, and I´m not THAT popular. Some of the friends I´ve talked about here are the same person

That was my point Is Muslims want to be 100% different than Jews, they have to start eating pork. This is the quote I was referring to before: And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms...." (Quran 24:30,31).

Wow... I changed bosoms into booby-area... Hm, anyway, I don´t know if this is a translation problem, or if it always says "draw their veils over their bosoms" in any laguage. My interpretation of this is that it is assumed that women were veils already, and that they should hide the cleavage. I didn´t think women actually showed the whole "package" back then

, I misunderstood your question as I thought you were asking for something else, anyway it was an extra info then. And of course women were wear wearing something to cover themselves mostly before, I do not think they were walking around naked as a jaybird ...

Great!! Feeling the relief, that is what all people need. Basically it is not only all about choosing a religion or finding out which one is true, it is about the feeling the relief as you said. That is why conciousness of believing in a Higher Being is a great relief for many people, and I guess they think believing in a God is meant to be liberating for them not shackling and because of this people are researching the great Universe.

"draw their veils over their bosoms"

KNOW-ALL

The word used in the Arabic text is "himar", which means "cover" in the most general sense; not veil.....though it may be argued that a veil is also a kind of cover, himar is closer to "table cloth" than it is to veil.

Why do you have to say KNOW-ALL? It seems that everything I get from Google pushes your buttons in some way! In any case, I asked if it was a translation thing because I don´t know any Arabic besides habibi... You could have answered in a normal way, without any CAPS.

No, Islam doesnt come from Judaism, Christianity does! Although Islam claims to have the same prophets or even the same God it doesnt mean Islam is based on Judeo-Christianity.

I personally believe that Islam was made and created at the request of Roman Catholic Agency to use Arabs to get rid of real Christians in the Arab peninsula who didnt want to obey Rome. In the past all anti Rome Christians were murdered, Waldens, Cathars etc

A very weak as well as illogic justification for the Almighty who cant keep His Books in safe!

Religions are the distortions of the ideas who God is. Religions are the perverted roads leading to destruction. Religions put all possible burdens on poor humans that make God sadistic not loving and merciful.

It is high time for religions to unite into one so that the End would come sooner.

God hates all type unions that is why He will send destructions as soon as the world will unite under the false name for the sake of peace and security.

I invite you all to the science.

 we must be reading different translation or interpretations of the bible canim reverend lemon.What about the Ark of covenant and other unions described by the bible´s authors?

Following your track of thinking Israel suffers or suffered because god hates union with it and sends all destructions.Aferin sana

What? I just feel, dear, that you never even touched the Bible.

What kind of union under the ArK of Covenant? Enlighten me.

Following my thinking you have the Tower of Babel where nations united to be one great nation speaking one language under one name they made for themselves.

So Islam is not based on the Judeo-Christian background, but does have the basic same rules, the same history lessons, the same famous people in it (I don´t want to use the word prophets, that´s a matter of interpretation).  Even if it was created at the request of somebody, they used the Judeo-Christian religions as a reference point.

I think it´s a bit to harsh to say God doesn´t like any kind of union. That would make marriage against God´s wishes. I do think that the idea people have of God, doesn´t match the division between these people in question. They are getting lost in silly details. Every major religion is already divided into a million different streams of thought. It reminds me of an episode of Startrek Enterprise (yes I´m THAT nerdy), where there was a civil war between two different religions... the difference between the religions... one thought God created the world in 8 days, the other thought God created the world in 9 days....

Some philosophers consider Judaism and Islam - of the three mainstream religions - closer to each other, as they are both strictly "single god" religions.

Though Islam verifies Jesus as a prophet of god, the idea of Father, son and the holy ghost concept does not fit in with the idea of God as described in Quran or Torah, hence leads Moslems to think that current version of the Bible is doctored by the Church and may somehow differ from God´s original messages.

I have no idea what Jews think about the Holy Ghost !

Congratulations, Alpha and good luck in learning/discovering!

Hello!

God hates when people unite under their names/orgs like in case of Babel. That is how He caused many languages.

Europeans are uniting into EU.

Muslims into Muslim League. These all one day will have a need to unite into one global nation with one global economy and monetray unit. I dont know but something will cause this. And as soon as this happens consider it the End.

Moslem League is not possible...For no two Moslems can ever agree on anything....

I support EURABIA

Oi! this saying is about Poles. and so is this one "give me two Poles and there will be three opinions"

 I think you did not carefully read what i wrote or you replied what is on your mind automatically. Nowhere in Quran it says all the previous scriptures deformed or vice-versa. Because Quran is there talking about the scriptures/revelations which were revealed by God . And It says Quran is superseding, authenticating/confirming them. In other words Quran is replacing the Injeel and the Tawrat since the message is the same they are one book of guidance not the NT or OT. Simply Bible is not the Injeel and Tawrat because of this muslims think Bible is deformed(me as well in my opinion people mixed the original Revelations with their history and legends). Quran calls itself detailings of God´s writ for humankind. That is why I said Quran is enough for muslims as a guide. 

I replied to your post if you see that. You are right, it is automatic, because all muslims say this (although then you say it doesnt say so in Qoran).

However, Armegon, you are saying the same things but in a bit different words.

So, why would God replace His Books with another Book? Why does He keep changing His mind like a pregnant woman (sorry DD)?

People mixed orginal messages and the Almighty Author couldnt save His original copy?

Sometimes people do attempt to change some texts like Roman Catholic adding and taking away as they please to fit in their occultic practises. But originals are always there and many others use them, read them, check their authentacy, compare to other texts.

Theres no guidance in Bible, theres salvation, Armegon, salvation. No one can reach the Heaven through his/her good deeds, if he/she did then he/she is god. And this is impossible.

Is this where we get the English expression ´poles apart´??    

I should think so

Whenever I hear Holy Ghost it makes me think of this religion-skit by Eddie Izzard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTRjWDW3JSg

(the God, Jesus, Holy Ghost part comes at about 4:45, but the rest is funny too!)

I don´t think the language thing of Babel was a punishment for the union. I think it was a punishment because they wanted to reach God and the heavens through a tower, instead of just reaching it through being good people. If they were the "Babel save the children and feed them group" we would all still be speaking the same language. (Not that I really believe that, but in line with the story.)

Anyway, I do think we should all unite in one big orgy to make God happy... or is that not what you were saying I don´t get why most people want everything to end so badly... What´s wrong with the life you (not you personally, you in general) have right now, that all you can do is live for the end?

I´ve been living in Istanbul for three years. This summer the trend for young women is shorts and tank tops. Being a native of California it is normal to see women in shorts, and short shorts too. But, living in Istanbul has made it surprising and pleasant at the same time to see it sooooo widespread now. Also skirts and long flowing summer dresses that tie around the neck but show shoulders and the back are also very much in...They say this is the hottest summer within the last 20 years...Maybe, this has something to do with it. But, I think that things are changing around here for sure. I have seen younger women going in extremes. One extreem is that very young girls are completely covered and the other extreem is of course the short mini skirts and shorts that have become common place everywhere. It´s interesting to live in an ever changing city. There´s never a dull moment here. Maybe that why I haven´t left yet...that and i´m still trying to speak Turkish fluently!

Welcome back Capoeira...you seemed to have shown up just when this thread needed a voice of reason.

I too have noticed in my trips through the years the disparity in styles of dress. It´s like the covered are being more covered, and the no scarf is showing they really don´t want to cover. It´s like a war between them.  There isn´t much middle ground. It´s like the war of covering.......

I have to totally agree with you!

I´ve found this a bit freaky. If finger nails turn him on, why would you go and see a doctor?

Well, if I would get sexually attracted (so not mentally, but by my raging hormones) by a guy´s fingernail, I would go to my doctor and ask her if something is wired wrong inside me

..so your doctor is a woman.

Barba, you are female, and simply can not understand the difference in hormonal effects. There was a program on the radio...This American Life to be exact. that had a show on the effects of hormone treatments on people who were going through sex change threapy. One of the people featured was a lesbian who had testosterone treatments. She reported she was amazed at the difference in how she felt and acted. She  things that would never have been sexually attractive to her before treatments, were after the treatments.

Males and females are different.....

I don´t think there would be something wrong with you if you were turned on by guy´s fingernails...However, I´d advise you to go to see your doctor if you licked the fingernails of unknown men in the streets without asking their permission. Or, worse, if you had a collection of fingernails (together with cut-off fingers) in your basement

 Reminds me of Ricky Gervais on Atheism....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8gsIuEvEs0&feature=related

 yes... why did you have to make a seperate post about that?

Vineyards, your friend is totally flat on the subject. No use asking her for further explanations.

Ladies´ fingers can even turn doctors on....Why would ladies invest so much of their precious money on wine red nail polishes and costly manicures, for god´s sake?

I make a difference between mental attraction, and attraction based on hormones and purely sexual feelings. Ofcourse pretty nails are attractive. Dirty nails can be a real turn off. My point was (coming back to the hair), the simple things like a nail or a hair in itself is not fysically attractive. Otherwise one would also be turned on by the long locks of little girls. I was trying to make a point, but I can´t really find the right words for it

Hair is just hair, that was my point. They are not like breasts, with an instant arousal. "Normal" people don´t get horny from the hairs on a little baby´s head, right? I know I didn´t really say it the right way before, but I hope I have explained it better now

i doubt you´ll ever be able to clearly articulate what you are trying to say. but you made me laugh after reading the few attempts at it!

hair can be a turn on to some...once i fell asleep on a bus from Alanya to Istanbul. I had my head against the window. I was woken up when the man in the seat behind started playing with me hair! i was stunned and disgusted and when i turned to face him. i couldn´t speak a word of turkish those days and i just said NO! he looked at me and completely ignored my anger and response. he gave me the biggest smile and said, you hair very beautiful. then sat back in his seat with the smuggest look on his face... at the next bathroom stop, he was waiting for me when i came out of the bathroom and said...you hair should cover too sweet and walked away... there are weird people in this world!!!

 Haha I had this exact same experience on a coach from trabzon to istanbul. I doubt it was the attractiveness of our hair however but the strangeness and the ordasity of the people to do it. I was not told to cover my hair but my experince did get weirder but I won´t elaberate. My oddest experiences ever in Turkey were always on the coaches.

 i beg to differ

I think that everything that you have to cover becomes something attractive, mentally. It´s the forbidden fruit. If people had to cover their noses, an uncovered nose would be the biggest turn on ever.

My last attempt... If you see hair in the bathroom drain, you are not attracted to it. It´s not the hair itself that is attractive. It´s the person that it´s attached to. Unlike some other body parts, a picture of merely hair is not something that arouses the average person. A picture of for example naked buttocks would. Yes... no? Ahhhh...forget it

Watch your hair ladies...Nothing is impossible on a night you let your hair down...

http://fizy.com/#s/1ai40s     (with sound on, pls)