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Hiroshima eye-witness account
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1.       vineyards
1954 posts
 06 Aug 2010 Fri 06:32 pm

After reading this excerpts, I wonder where on Earth the Devil resides? Could it be in Truman´s office? This incident was jubilantly celebrated in combination with the surrender of Japan and the ending of the war.  The pilots of Enola Gay received  heros´ return from American people. To this day, the US government has not officially apoligized. Many American citizens with whom I brought this matter up stated that they considered this incident as a revenge of the attack on Pearl Harbour.

 

When we were near in Hatchobori and since I had been holding my son in my arms, the young woman in front of me said, I will be getting off here. Please take this seat.´ We were just changing places when there was a strange smell and sound. It suddenly became dark and before I knew it, I had jumped outside.... I held [my son] firmly and looked down on him. He had been standing by the window and I think fragments of glass had pierced his head. His face was a mess because of the blood flowing from his head. But he looked at my face and smiled. His smile has remained glued in my memory. He did not comprehend what had happened. And so he looked at me and smiled at my face which was all bloody. I had plenty of milk which he drank all throughout that day. I think my child sucked the poison right out of my body. And soon after that he died. Yes, I think that he died for me.

http://www.atomicarchive.com/History/twocities/hiroshima/page14.shtml

 

 



Edited (8/6/2010) by vineyards

2.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 06 Aug 2010 Fri 07:18 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

This incident is still remembered jubilantly by the general public in the US...

 

 

 

Not a fair statement and I am personally offended.  It´s not fair to assume that the general public is "jubilant" about this.  It was a horrible event! 

 

Just another one of those posts that makes me wonder why the hell I stay on TC!  Between the arguements about Kurds to the religious intolerance it just seems less and less like a place to come and learn about a country I love so much. 



Edited (8/6/2010) by Elisabeth

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3.       vineyards
1954 posts
 06 Aug 2010 Fri 10:21 pm

OK I have replaced "the general public" part with more conservative wording. You say you feel offended reading my comments. I shed tears when reading the memories of that woman. It is heart-breaking that no official apoligy has been made to date. Rather than being offended, you should join the ranks of those who demand justice for the victims.

 

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 

Quoting vineyards

This incident is still remembered jubilantly by the general public in the US...

 

 

 

Not a fair statement and I am personally offended.  It´s not fair to assume that the general public is "jubilant" about this.  It was a horrible event! 

 

Just another one of those posts that makes me wonder why the hell I stay on TC!  Between the arguements about Kurds to the religious intolerance it just seems less and less like a place to come and learn about a country I love so much. 

 

 

4.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 06 Aug 2010 Fri 11:23 pm

Well, I think sending the American ambassador to the ceremony is a good first step. I think both countries did horrible thigs during the war, and they both didn´t apologize for every single event.

5.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 06 Aug 2010 Fri 11:30 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

OK I have replaced "the general public" part with more conservative wording. You say you feel offended reading my comments. I shed tears when reading the memories of that woman. It is heart-breaking that no official apoligy has been made to date. Rather than being offended, you should join the ranks of those who demand justice for the victims.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for apologizing, although, I can sense that it is not sincere.  I was offended by your accusation that most Americans are jubilant about this event in the present.  You have since changed your post to reflect that Americans felt that way in the past (not that it matters).  Of course many Americans were happy that the War was over.  However, I don´t think the average American at the time the bombs were dropped understood atomic power.  Anyway, nothing can justify what the US government did and I am happy that an attempt is being made to rectify a wrong.  Lastly, it´s really not your business whether I join the ranks of people who demand justice....to be honest you have no idea how I feel about this or what organizations I belong to. 

 

Anyway, PEACE....OUT!!

 



Edited (8/6/2010) by Elisabeth

6.       vineyards
1954 posts
 06 Aug 2010 Fri 11:44 pm

I apoligized because I think I am a mature person who can apoligize when he realizes he has made a mistake and the mistake might not be a big mistake after all as you have realized yourself. You continue in an agitated tone, God only knows what the motive is, since that would not be my business.

I may or I may have not repaired your broken heart but you must realize that you are not necessarily in the limelight here. I am talking about a barbarous act. I can offer you proofs about how jubilantly the surrender of Japan was received despite obvious barbarism behind the scenes. I think I can also provide materials proving the ethnic hatred directed at Japs as they were derogatively called then. Just type the subject in youtube and facebook and see what thousands of American contributors think about the incident. So, far I am trying to bring the focus back on where it must be, the way this horrendous incident is perceived by the masses in America. If you say there is nothing wrong there, this would be your idea and I wouldn´t care less. I am not attacking you personally, I am not invading you territory, feel safe and try to mind your p´s and q´s when replying to posts.

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 

 

Thanks for apologizing, although, I can sense that it is not sincere.  I am offended by your accusation that most Americans are jubilant about it.  It´s really not your business what whether I join the ranks of people who demand justice....to be honest you have no idea how I feel about this or what organizations I belong to. 

 

 

 

7.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 07 Aug 2010 Sat 12:03 am

 

Quoting vineyards

 

I am talking about a barbarous act. I can offer you proofs about how jubilantly the surrender of Japan was received despite obvious barbarism behind the scenes. I think I can also provide materials proving the ethnic hatred directed at Japs as they were derogatively called then. Just type the subject in youtube and facebook and see what thousands of American contributors think about the incident. So, far I am trying to bring the focus back on where it must be, the way this horrendous incident is perceived by the masses in America. If you say there is nothing wrong there, this would be your idea and I wouldn´t care less. I am not attacking you personally, I am not invading you territory, feel safe and try to mind your p´s and q´s when replying to posts.

 

 

 

 

I never denied what happened or its horrific affect. 

 

I actually have a formal education and don´t need to learn about the event on youtube...but thanks for the tip (as condesending as it may be).

 

P´s and Q´s should be watched by everyone...including the person who posts something.  I felt what you posted was out of line and responded in kind.

 

Truely, I don´t want to argue with you.  Have a good weekend. 

8.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Aug 2010 Sat 12:26 am

Well, I have a formal education too. I think when you want to draw assumptions about what people think about a particular subject, reading their actual remarks would always serve a good starting point. You don´t mind the quality of the people using youtube because you know you are in search of the opinions of the general public and the internet is an excellent channel to do that. That´s why everyone is there including governments and multibillion dollar companies. For that reason, people with formal educations do take youtube seriously. They know that the platform has some 50 million registered users and many more casual browsers. What else do you need to learn what the people think?

9.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 07 Aug 2010 Sat 02:52 am

 

Quoting vineyards

Well, I have a formal education too. I think when you want to draw assumptions about what people think about a particular subject, reading their actual remarks would always serve a good starting point. You don´t mind the quality of the people using youtube because you know you are in search of the opinions of the general public and the internet is an excellent channel to do that. That´s why everyone is there including governments and multibillion dollar companies. For that reason, people with formal educations do take youtube seriously. They know that the platform has some 50 million registered users and many more casual browsers. What else do you need to learn what the people think?

 

I was commenting on the fact that you where hinting that I needed to learn more about the subject on youtube and not the actual quality of youtube and its merits as a "learning tool." Stop trying to deflect the fact that you offended me and every other American who feels shame and horror at the events of Hiroshima.  

But, in any case, my initial post was an objection to your post (more specifically the way you worded it) and nothing personal against you.  

10.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Aug 2010 Sat 03:36 am

Well, let´s concentrate on the incident, if we can. Here are excerpts from Truman´s address in the aftermath of Hiroshima bombing.

"The world will note that the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, a military base. That was because we wished in this first attack to avoid, insofar as possible, the killing of civilians. But that attack is only a warning of things to come. If Japan does not surrender, bombs will have to be dropped on her war industries and, unfortunately, thousands of civilian lives will be lost. I urge Japanese civilians to leave industrial cities immediately, and save themselves from destruction."

They would later say, Truman did not know at the time of speaking that Hiroshima was a city, he thought it was a military base... Oh yes, after years of organized effort that involved all sorts of classified activities and as the person who relied on the development of such a weapon to gain an edge at the war, he didn´t know that his boys had bombed a city.

Take a look at this:

A Gallup poll about presidential greatness, taken February 9–11, 2007, asked 1006 adults in the US, "Who do you regard as the greatest United States president?"[15]

  1. Abraham Lincoln (18%)
  2. Ronald Reagan (16%)
  3. John F. Kennedy (14%)
  4. Bill Clinton (13%)
  5. Franklin Roosevelt (9%)
  6. Other/None/No opinion (8%)
  7. George Washington (7%)
  8. Harry Truman (3%)
  9. George W. Bush (2%)
  10. Theodore Roosevelt (2%)
  11. Dwight Eisenhower (2%)
  12. Thomas Jefferson (2%)
  13. Jimmy Carter (2%)
  14. Gerald Ford (1%)
  15. George H.W. Bush (1%)
  16. Richard Nixon (0%)

 

Source Wikipedia.

 

I don´t know how many ashamed Americans there are out there but Harry Truman the proud perpetrator of the ugliest ever warcrime in recorded history ranks 8th, immediately after George Washington. If this is not an endorsement of his decisions as a president, what is it?

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