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What absolutely disgusted you today.....
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1.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 03 Nov 2010 Wed 11:26 pm

A 10 year old Romanian girl gave birth in Spain....her mother says it´s perfectly normal!  {#emotions_dlg.rant}

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11684854

2.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 03 Nov 2010 Wed 11:38 pm

Yeah, the Romani way...kids married way below the legal age of the country they live in, police can´t do anything as there´s no legal way of checking whether two people are married, girls abducted by guys who want to marry them, often not allowed to see their families ever again. I know I´m going to sound politically incorrect again, but I really think although traditions like dancing, music and language are beautiful and worth preserving, it´s time to stop barbaric Romani traditions. Human rights are human rights, closing your eyes to abducting minors and knocking them up is not keeping political correctness by the state, it´s a crime against these poor children.

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3.       catwoman
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 04 Nov 2010 Thu 12:13 am

Such a tragic thing.. DD canim, you are not politically incorrect by what you said, at least not in my opinion. I think this is almost as primitive behavior/tradition as we can find in today´s world, which on the positive note I guess can serve as a reminder of how far some people have changed. The most beautiful example of this change was a man I saw in an emergency room who had a purple ribbon on his shirt, as a sign of domestic violence awareness.

4.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 01:15 am

I think it is politically incorrect to express anything but disgust and revulsion toward a mother who will allow a 10 year old to become pregnant.  

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5.       busyb
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 04 Nov 2010 Thu 12:33 pm

As much as I agree with Elizabeth´s comment, what I´m not so sure about is why this case has been thown so much into the media when really, cases like this happen all the time. So sad. Kids having kids

6.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 03:32 pm

 

Quoting busyb

As much as I agree with Elizabeth´s comment, what I´m not so sure about is why this case has been thown so much into the media when really, cases like this happen all the time. So sad. Kids having kids

 

 The question shouldn´t be why this case has been thrown into the media it should be why haven´t the others!  {#emotions_dlg.noway}

In the report on BBC yesterday they were interviewing people who were saying that people shouldn´t be upset by this....it´s a cultural issue.  That argument always seems to be thrown about when an act cannot be adequately defended. 

Yes, perhaps in the dark ages it was acceptable for children to marry and procreate but these are not the dark ages!  People have evolved and times have changed and this type of case is not only unacceptable in modern times.....it is criminal! 

My heart breaks for these children.

 

7.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 03:42 pm

I find the mother´s attitude very disturbing.  There is something very very wrong with this woman!

8.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 06:30 pm

I find the "it´s a cultural issue" argument annoying. It´s not culture to have underage sex, it´s a crime in civilised societies. I wonder if a group of cannibals came to Europe and started hunting for food in the streets, would political correctness defenders justify them because of cultural issues. One may argue that since nobody outside the culture was hurt and thus it´s a inner matter of Romani people. But it´s just not true. Everybody deserves to be protected by laws of the country they are in, including Romani people. If you read interviews with Romani women, you´ll see that if they are to live a better life, the change must come from the outside. Otherwise the pattern of abuse will repeat itself

Lis - I´m not really surprised by the mother´s comment. She has been brought up to believe this is the normal way. It´s the same in all societies that give one group more privileges than another one (Islamic countries, slavery, system of castes etc). Most of the underprivilleged will never rebel against their fate as most people follow others, don´t think for themselves. Some even become advocates of barbaric traditions as it´s the only way they know and, as result, feel secure in...

When western women chained themselves to white house or got arrested for protesting in the streets, some other women were calling them crazy and considered them to ruin the only moral/rightful way where men were heads of the house and women´s job was to be a housemaker. Changes take some time...

9.       busyb
117 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 07:29 pm

 

Quoting girleegirl

 

 

 The question shouldn´t be why this case has been thrown into the media it should be why haven´t the others!  {#emotions_dlg.noway}

 

 

 Totally agree. It was kind of my point/what I meant - just worded it wrong {#emotions_dlg.head_bang} When I say about why this one when all others haven´t, what I meant was what about all the others? You can´t just pick and choose cultural or not. Like DD said, it´s not a cultural issue, it´s an issue of underage sex - and abuse! People just use it as an excuse to justify things that cannot be contained in the right way.

Honor killings are because of cultural issues but you don´t see those cases being waved with an ignorant hand because it is by law, Murder. Just like these cases, it´s rape, it´s abuse and it´s neglect. So why are these cruel and ignorant bunch of fools (would have like to have said what I really think here) not doing sod all about it?

10.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 04 Nov 2010 Thu 08:19 pm

 

Quoting busyb

So why are these cruel and ignorant bunch of fools (would have like to have said what I really think here) not doing sod all about it?

 

My guess is it´s easier not to do anything. The fact that it concerns a relatively small group only helps pretending such things don´t happen. Besides, from what i know, the Romani are a pretty hermetic group and it´s very hard to get them to cooperate. Surely, it´s not an excuse for police or courts, but I think ignoring this abhorrent phenomenon is their policy

 

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