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American professor says criticism against Gülen ideological
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1.       tunci
7149 posts
 07 Apr 2011 Thu 08:15 am

American professor says criticism against Gülen ideological

07 April 2011, Thursday / ŞABAN GÜNDÜZ , ANTALYA

                                       Helen Rose Ebaugh

American sociology Professor Helen Rose Ebaugh, who has written a book analyzing the Gülen movement, inspired by the well-respected Islamic scholar Fethhullah Gülen, has said criticism leveled at Gülen is based completely on ideological fears.
 

Ebaugh, the author of a book titled “The Gülen Movement: A Sociological Analysis of a Civic Movement Rooted in Moderate Islam,” was speaking at a conference organized by the Antalya Intercultural Dialogue Center over the weekend and titled “Gelişen Türkiye’de Sivil Toplum Hareketleri: Hizmet Hareketi” (Civil Society Movements in Developing Turkey: The Hizmet Movement). Stating that recent claims that members of the movement are trying to infiltrate state posts -- including the police force, the military and others -- are groundless, she said she did not encounter such efforts while researching the movement. She said these allegations are based on ideological fears rather than facts.

The Gülen movement is a group of volunteers engaged in interfaith and intercultural dialogue inspired by the ideas of Gülen, a Turkish Islamic scholar well known for his teachings promoting mutual understanding and tolerance between cultures. Now residing in the US, Gülen has pioneered educational activities in a number of countries, along with efforts to promote intercultural and interfaith activities around the world.

According to Ebaugh, who has no doubts about the movement’s success, the reason behind the success of the movement is that it favors democracy, modernization, education and dialogue, which she says make the movement unique. Noting that she has been researching the movement since 1990 when the volunteers of the movement opened up to the world and began educational and dialogue activities around the world, she said the movement is taking on a global dimension with schools in 120 countries and dialogue centers in 180 countries worldwide. Noting that the movement is a pioneer in maintaining global peace, Ebaugh stated that one of many contributions of the movement to Turkey is the promotion of the country in the world.

 

 

2.       vineyards
1954 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 04:29 am

Well, there are people who believe Mr. Gülen himself is an ideological tool used by the US to mitigate the much feared nationalist sentiment in Turkey and to replace it with what is called a soft-Islamic democracy. All this is done with a healthy dose of anti West sentiment which is easy to tame. Like it always happens, those nations which are criticized severely enjoy strong economic ties with Turkey. Turkey as a nation proceeds on the path of the countries whose political and educational practices are severely criticized by the man. Meanwhile, he lives in the US and funds keep flowing in to make him one of the most affluent and influential persons in the country.

Under the circumstances, nothing associated with Gülen is free from politics,  his understanding of Islam, the attitude of this writer when she praises him are not exceptions. Recently, the raw draft digital copy of a book claiming to have pulled off the curtain over this person´s secret activities has been confiscated. This is peculiar because, no matter how antidemocratic, censorship must normally come after a book is officially published; in this case, it happened in a very hasty manner before the book could be printed and distributed.

3.       Burak7777777
96 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 05:40 am

gülen is a social terrorist

4.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 01:37 pm

 

Quoting Burak7777777

gülen is a social terrorist

 

 

When you make a statement like that, you should explain it a bit. Just saying that doesn´t really open up a debate.

5.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 03:11 pm

As a one who knows closely this Gülen´s movement, I can say this is the most devious movement in the history of Republic, anything licit to them to reach their aim...

6.       si++
3785 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 04:09 pm

 

Quoting armegon

As a one who knows closely this Gülen´s movement, I can say this is the most devious movement in the history of Republic, anything licit to them to reach their aim...

 

Closely, hmmm! {#emotions_dlg.confused}

7.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 06:12 pm

 

Quoting armegon

As a one who knows closely this Gülen´s movement, I can say this is the most devious movement in the history of Republic, anything licit to them to reach their aim...

 

 

This still doesn´t enlighten me on why you think so. I know that a lot of people think Gülen is dangerous, but nobody has ever really explained to me why. What did he say that makes people think he is a danger to the state?

8.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 07:19 pm

Dear Barba,

Firstly I totally agree with what Burak said. Let me tell you shortly, this movement is domineering the young brains with their fallacious ideology and lies starting from primary school till these young brains have a voice in their life, and when they have a good job particularly in important positions, then they use them for their aim simply which is why Burak called him a social terrorist I think. They love the successful students and fuss over them especially by the way. I do not want to go in details, it is a huge subject, if you want to learn more about it, go and make your research. For instance you can start from your country; why did the Netherlands which claimed to be known as a country of pluralism and tolerance suddenly opt to cut the fundings of Gülen schools? Or why did Russia outlaw his schools for example? Maybe they did think these schools are a threat to their social order?? 

Quoting barba_mama

This still doesn´t enlighten me on why you think so. I know that a lot of people think Gülen is dangerous, but nobody has ever really explained to me why. What did he say that makes people think he is a danger to the state?

 

 

9.       Burak7777777
96 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 09:00 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 

This still doesn´t enlighten me on why you think so. I know that a lot of people think Gülen is dangerous, but nobody has ever really explained to me why. What did he say that makes people think he is a danger to the state?

 

well imagine that theres a thick catholic author in your country that keeps writing against the queen, the ministry system and the democracy, keeps defending the race-driven philosphers of 45s germany and tries his (and hundred thousands of peoples) best to show the world how catholic the netherlands is. and he succeeds horribly. then you hear his plans about bringing down the current democratic government in netherlands and make it a theocratic state of the church. and that he cant be prosecuted bcs hes very rich. wouldnt you think hes a social terrorist also?

 

10.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 09 Apr 2011 Sat 08:53 pm

It´s difficult for me to find out the exact things that Gülen did wrong. They had a research towards the Gülen movement in the Netherlands, like was said before, to see if it was wrong for the Dutch government to give aid to schools that had some links with this movement. But the research didn´t show anything illegal or dangerous. I have tried to google for criticism of Gülen, but pro-Gülen sympathies are over represented on English and Dutch websites. The only anti-Gülen things I can find are more opinions, but not really stating why these people have opinions. They all talk about a hidden agenda of Gülen, but I just wonder where this all comes from. Does anybody have any links that are not "we love Gülen"?

11.       armegon
1872 posts
 10 Apr 2011 Sun 12:00 am

Here you go, some articles in English that I found by googling(mostly about Gulen’s charter schools in US though);

http://charterschoolscandals.blogspot.com/p/gulen-school-characteristics.html

“Explain what you must, but never give away all of your secrets. Those who freely publicize the secrets of their hearts drag themselves and their nation toward an inevitable downfall.”

http://docstalk.blogspot.com/2009/04/fethullah-gulen-infiltrating-us-through.html

The FGC emerged in Turkey in the 1970’s. According to the Jane’s Islamic Affairs Analyst piece, Gulen stated that “in order to reach the ideal Muslim society ´every method and path is acceptable, [including] lying to people.’” This public acknowledgement of taqiyya (employing deception to advance Islam) is highly pertinent to Gulen’s activities here in the United States.

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What makes Gulen particularly dangerous is his strategic and tactical means to achieving this goal. He oversees a worldwide network of businesses, schools, foundations and media outlets, with an estimated budget of 25 billion dollars. Here’s what Gulen had to say in a sermon in 1999 aired on Turkish television:

You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers … until the conditions are ripe, they [the followers] must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer everywhere, like in the tragedies in Algeria, like in 1982 [in] Syria … like in the yearly disasters and tragedies in Egypt. The time is not yet right. You must wait for the time when you are complete and conditions are ripe, until we can shoulder the entire world and carry it … You must wait until such time as you have gotten all the state power, until you have brought to your side all the power of the constitutional institutions in Turkey … Until that time, any step taken would be too early—like breaking an egg without waiting the full forty days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside. The work to be done is [in] confronting the world. Now, I have expressed my feelings and thoughts to you all—in confidence … trusting your loyalty and secrecy. I know that when you leave here—[just] as you discard your empty juice boxes, you must discard the thoughts and the feelings that I expressed here.

Simply put, he is brilliantly and patiently employing taqiyya on a global scale, because this strategic approach is not confined to Turkey.

http://www.weeklyblitz.net/1336/education-or-indoctrination

"These schools are like shop windows. Recruitment and Islamization activities are carried out through night classes ... Children whom we educated in Turkey are now in the highest positions. There are governors, judges, military officers. There are ministers in the government. They consult Gülen before doing anything."

 

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/01/06/turkish-intel-chief-exposes-cia-operations-via-islamic-group-in-central-asia/

In his memoir Gundes claims that Fethullah Gulen’s worldwide Islamic movement based in Pennsylvania has been providing cover for the CIA since the mid-1990s, and that in the 90s, the movement “sheltered 130 CIA agents” at its schools in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan alone.

12.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 10 Apr 2011 Sun 10:59 am

Thank you very much Very helpfull.

13.       vineyards
1954 posts
 10 Apr 2011 Sun 02:34 pm

Here is some info on one of the two sponsors of Ms. Ebaugh mentioned in the text (excerpts from their corporate web site):

"The Pew Research Center seeks to explore both American and global public opinion through multiple projects of the center, including the Pew Research Center for People and the Press, which provides data about U.S. views of national security and other foreign policy issues, and the Pew Global Attitudes Project, which provides an international perspective through a series of worldwide public opinion surveys. Surveys related to foreign policy and global issues have included: the first-ever, nationwide, random sample survey of Muslim Americans; attitudes of the U.S. electorate on Iraq and other foreign-policy issues, vis-à-vis the presidential campaign; and views of America’s image from around the world. This information is designed to help members of the news media, academic researchers, foreign policy analysts and the public in understanding public views on key global matters both in the United States and around the world. The Pew Research Center does not take positions on policy debates. It is a nonpartisan subsidiary of Pew and is based in Washington, D.C. For more information about its public opinion research on foreign policy and global issues, visit the Pew Research Center Web site and the Pew Global Attitudes Project Web site."

The parts in bold letters are tell-tale evidence of what this organization is actually focusing on. I am not sure on whose money Ebaugh published the book praising the Gülen movement but this level of academic partiality in such a contraversial subject along with sponsored seminar presences by this author where she testifies that there has been no political considerations in the country´s public employment strategies imply that she has been actively involved in what may be called a justification effort of a dubious entity.

When a professor sponsored by so called charitable organizations comes to your country to tell you that a social figure on whom much debate is going on is actually a very good person, this gives you a lot of reasons to become suspicious of the presence of other hidden associations. Just take the matter like this to see how idiotic this whole thing actually is.

If you ask me this whole thing is like a pig circus. It is nothing but a large scale propoganda campaign for promoting a product which has become complete and ready for being offered to the public. You don´t have to invade a country by military means to take its reins. You can do this by these charitable means too.



Edited (4/10/2011) by vineyards

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