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26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:47 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Interesting that all the women in specific areas 'want' to be owned by men, but all women in other areas don't want  . Waseem, don't first agree to a society with hypocritical system of values and then say that if women want to cover themselves, it's their decision. |
BINGO! 
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26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:49 pm |
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Quote: waseem may pop up 'those women want that, their dream is to serve men! wot do u want from them?' hehehe, they wanna look like nuns, wot a hypocrisy!
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Did i say that? Are you judging me now?
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26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:49 pm |
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http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa020900a.htm
Found this information - might answer a few questions?
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26 Jun 2006 Mon 09:53 pm |
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Quoting libralady: http://islam.about.com/library/weekly/aa020900a.htm
Found this information - might answer a few questions? |
Depends on how you want to argue the case.... Seems to me you're all ganging up on Muslims. You need to checkout other cultures, traditions and religions that require similar obervances. That is amongs the Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and the Jews.
And I don't believe women should be subjugated.
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26 Jun 2006 Mon 10:12 pm |
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Kazpol, thanks for your welcome . I am aware of the pornography in the Turkish media, it's everywhere, you can't take a newspaper and read news without seeing a few naked pictures. The men made it so that "their" women can't even think of sex and being attractive, because they wouldn't stand it if women did the things that men themselves do, but this is how they perceive women in general.
Maybe some women value their tradition and religion and cover themselves head to toe as a result of that, maybe some cannot change this in their culture and lifestyle but despite that they are free thinking, strong and don't take shit from anyone. This is not a problem. The problem is what the culture imposes on women, expects from them as well as the inequality in judgment. Here is a story of some terrible things that happen in the 21st century on our planet and this is part of what we are angry about:
Fatehi, Nazanin Mahabad - the 18 Year old Iranian girl who was sentenced to death for stabbing a rapist who attacked her and her younger niece (they were 17 and 15 at the time). In any western country she would have been acquitted for self defense, but in Iran, there is no such thing as equality for women, and little in the form of Justice. As with many muslim countries - if a woman is raped, she must have deserved it or led the man on. If a woman is not a virgin, she is open to rape as well. The courts have tried to portray her as a loose moraled runaway who stabbed a man for no reason. Worse yet, the law in Iran sets the minimum age for the death penalty at 15 for boys and just 9 years of age for girls! At the time of this writing (June 2006), Nazanin's death sentence has been overturned by the Iranian head of Judiciary Ayatollah Shahroudi. The case will now be sent back to a lower court.
taken from:
http://save.nazanin.googlepages.com/home
http://www.heartlessbitches.com/culture/honorary.shtml
I'm not picking on anyone in particular and I'm not judging you Waseem, the purpose is to raise awareness and sensitivity here. We don't argue what is right and wrong, we know what is.
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26 Jun 2006 Mon 10:12 pm |
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i also meant all religions.
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27 Jun 2006 Tue 12:01 am |
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i think thats not a religion matter,thats just a menthality problem.We men have to try for make more and more woman rights ,and women have to try support men in social and economical life.Men&women the half of same whole,so a healthy and strong soicety never possible without a half.But when thats turn to rights fight or rivalary between men and men not to easy to find cool fixes,thats only matter of to be willing for more goodness and more peacfull tomorrows.men nothing without women and wqomen nothing men,isn't that enough clue for equality?
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27 Jun 2006 Tue 12:04 am |
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and thats really not easy to say that,women as a material in the capitalist cultures,and women think they get more rights and freedom,thats really just a mistake...
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27 Jun 2006 Tue 12:28 am |
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Quoting Waseem_UK:
Depends on how you want to argue the case.... Seems to me you're all ganging up on Muslims. You need to checkout other cultures, traditions and religions that require similar obervances. That is amongs the Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and the Jews. |
i dont like when someone has no strong arguements and point out the faults of others!
yes, dear waseem i've checked those religions except sikhs. thats why im here to discuss, if i knew nothing of those religions and traditions i wouldnt be confident to take part in this discussion.
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27 Jun 2006 Tue 12:40 am |
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27 Jun 2006 Tue 01:37 am |
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Yes, Ayhan - it's a mentality and a psychological problem, not exactly religious. A person who does not respect another person, be it a woman, a different nationality or sexual orientation, does not really respect himself, it's a mentality problem. However, religions have been used as means for justification of opression against women because they are patriarchal structures.
We need more smart men like you Ayhan  .
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