To be honest I don´t care whether you give up or not  as I have more important issues and events to  think on and worry about than quarreling with you..People are going through some hard times in Turkey and I wont spend my time commenting on your childish comments...

This is not a game of my backyard vs your backyard. We are talking about democracy and freedom(s).

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These kids have a lot to learn from you. But they prefer to think you belong to their kindergarten.

I don´t think there are "innocent parties" in the world of politics.  We could spend the rest of our lives saying the West did this, Arabs did that...it will accomplish nothing.  All people need to leave cruelty and barbarity as part of human history.  No leader or country has bloodless hands.  Once we stop seeing eachother as West, East, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Arab, Turk, or whatever, only then will we be able to truely see the world from another human´s point of view.  What is the point of going back and naming other acts of cruelty to justify a new one?  What would you say to your children who say, "oh, I did this because so-in-so did that!"  Most parents would tell them that you can´t behave like that.  What I did see was a human being, his body being defiled and people rejoicing in another´s misery.  Exactly the kind of thing he was accused of doing.  I would think that the first act of a people who wanted "liberation" would not be an act of cruelty.  I have little faith that this new government or the people of Libya have any idea what they want.  

There are already people who see beyond the conventional stereotypes but those people are called naive, stupid, ignorant, idealists, hypocrites and on  and on and they are told to shut up because they do not know what they speak of.  So it is ok to treat a tirant the same way he treated others, an eye for an eye a tooth for tooth, that is what is said.  There is no way to break this cycle of violence because there will always be someone there to strike with a closed fist.

All I can say is let the liberators be judged by their actions, the only defense they will have is "well he did it to us for over 40 years".  Yes Libya is free of the clutches of Gaddafi but the tyranical cycle will repeat itself, people do not learn from the past, they only repeat the same actions over and over again.

It is not only Arabs that do this. It seems to be part of the human psyche. The lowest part. We hope to work on our highest level, but unfortunatly, some, too many operate on the lizard brain. 

Compassion, humility, respect, shame are not existant in all, so it seems. Evidance the events in the US where blacks were hung from trees by lynch mobs. The hangings were attended by whole famlies shamelessly taking glee in the events.  

This website has photos and forum on the subject of lynching in the US. 

The following is a link to a song sung by Billie Holiday. 

"Southern trees bear a strange fruit,

Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,

Black body swinging in the Southern breeze,

Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.

Pastoral scene of the gallant South,

The bulging eyes and the twisted mouth,

Scent of magnolia sweet and fresh,

And the sudden smell of burning flesh!

Here is a fruit for the crows to pluck,

For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck,

For the sun to rot, for a tree to drop,

Here is a strange and bitter crop."

My point is, it can, and has happened everyplace. We need to stay morally strong and resist these base and ugly instincts. We can be the highest of the high or the lowest of the low.

 On the contrary, stumpy, I believe MOST people see beyond stereotypes.  Stereotypes are force fed to us by the media who insist on ONLY showing the worst aspects of human behavior.  I see dozens of acts of kindness everyday.  That is not to say that I don´t see extreme cruelty...I do.  I work in a hospital and healthcare workers see the full spectrum of humanity, good, evil and indifferent.  We must fight the urge to see the world thru the eyes of people who would have us believe that everything is terrible and rotten. 

In any case, whether or not Gaddafi was a tyrant is something for his people to decide...not us armchair warriors thousands of miles away.  I was just hoping that once he was caught, he could be brought to some kind of justice rather than seeing a "liberated" people behave like animals. 

Well to add to the humiliation of his killing, Gaddafi was alledgedly buried face down so as not to claw his way out of his grave.  Now this cannot be verified since the location of his burial has been kept secret.

This just shows you how deep the urge to humiliate and belittle a human life, be it how tyranical or cruel you were in life, can be done to you after your death.