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Bektashi Jokes
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1.       Abla
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 25 Aug 2012 Sat 02:52 pm

I came across some Bektashi jokes which are part of Turkish folklore. I was amazed.

 

http://bektashiorder.com/nodequeue/1?page=1

http://www.nicholaswhyte.info/wordpress/?p=3806

 

They are so bold. And their message goes straight into the core of Islamic teachings. I wonder if someone regards them as blasphemy? Well, I don´t. I think the humouristic point is especially in being well informed about the topic and still turning it upside down.

 

What is the connection between Bektashi order and this story tradition? Are these sufis such humoristic people or is it more like making fun of their beliefs?



Edited (8/25/2012) by Abla

2.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 25 Aug 2012 Sat 08:04 pm

 

Quoting Abla

I came across some Bektashi jokes which are part of Turkish folklore. I was amazed.

 

http://bektashiorder.com/nodequeue/1?page=1

http://www.nicholaswhyte.info/wordpress/?p=3806

 

They are so bold. And their message goes straight into the core of Islamic teachings. I wonder if someone regards them as blasphemy? Well, I don´t. I think the humouristic point is especially in being well informed about the topic and still turning it upside down.

 

What is the connection between Bektashi order and this story tradition? Are these sufis such humoristic people or is it more like making fun of their beliefs?

 

I love Bektaşi way. The source of their humor is criticising the hypocracy of fanatics and accepting their own weaknesses. They are humanists. They easily make fun of themselves. They don´t fast, they don´t pray but they believe God will forgive them. They don´t think they should be afraid of God. Because they believe God is the most merciful.They know being a good person is more important than performing religious rituals. Performing them doesn´t make everybody a better person. They criticise people who behave like a religious person but don´t help even their neighbours.

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3.       Abla
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 25 Aug 2012 Sat 11:14 pm

Interesting.

 

Not that praying or fasting necessarily would make someone hypocritical. Or leaving them would make you a better person. If you do so you abandon the idea of personal striving.

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4.       ikicihan
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 26 Aug 2012 Sun 06:15 am

 

Quoting Abla

What is the connection between Bektashi order and this story tradition? Are these sufis such humoristic people or is it more like making fun of their beliefs?

 

i dont have much info about bektashis and their way but as far as i know they are part of alevi sect (anatolian shi´a). they like to make fun of sunni beliefs as well as themselves. they have a good sense of humour though.

5.       tunci
7149 posts
 27 Aug 2012 Mon 10:49 pm

 

Bektaşi" Sufi movement played a big role in shaping Anatolian sociallife.

When it comes to "Bektasi jokes"  In fact, In the past , Turkish People, assingned some characters [ Nasreddin Hodja,Keloglan, Karagoz .....etc] to voice its dislikes,criticism,its anger,displeasures and the things that they find unjust.

Each of those characters had its own style of expressing social problems by working as people´s spokesman.

In the same way, in religion field people created "Bektaşi" character and assigned Bektasi in religious issues to express their anger and displeasureness against hypocritical,dishonest,insincere religous people,authorities and religous rituels.

In his jokes, the criticism can be extremely sharp,hurtful, straight to the point and sometimes it can be taken as offensive but one thing for sure is they are pretty funny.

Such as ;

Bir Mevlevi ile Bektaşi aralarında sohbet ediyormuş. Bektaşi sormuş: “Sizin hırkalarınızın
yenleri neden bu kadar geniş olur?” Mevlevi açıklamış: “Başkalarında gördüğümüz kusurları
örtmek için.” O da sormuş: “Ya sizin hırkalarınızın yenleri niye bu kadar dar olur?” Bektaşi
açıklamış: “Biz hiç kimsede kusur görmeyiz ki...”

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Bektaşinin biri bir Mevlevi’ye nasıl ayin yaptıklarını sormuş. Mevlevî, “Hak deyip
döneriz,” deyince Bektaşi, “Yok azizim, biz bir kere hak dedik mi artık dönmeyiz dururuz.”

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Bektaşi İstanbul’da gezinirken, padişahın sarayı olduğunu zannettiği görkemli bir binanın
yakınından geçiyormuş. Binanın önünde şatafatlı bir fayton durmaktaymış. Binadan sırmalı
elbiseleri olan adam çıkınca, muhafızlar selama durmuş. Adam faytona binerken, Bektaşi
meraklanmış ve muhafızlardan birinin yanına sokularak sormuş: “Faytona binen padişah mıdır?”
“Hayır,” demiş beriki, “Padişahın bir kuludur.” Bektaşi, önce faytondaki adama

bakmış, sonra da kendi üstünün başının perişanlığına. Sonra, ellerine açarak: “Hey Allah’ım,” demiş, “Bir padişahın kuluna bak, bir de senin kuluna!”

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6.       Abla
3647 posts
 27 Aug 2012 Mon 11:28 pm

tunci, please leave them for learners to translate (if you didn´t already). They are pearls.

 

I think the same criticality has various forms in different cultures. Fat and greedy priests are often made fun of in our local folklore.

 

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7.       tunci
7149 posts
 27 Aug 2012 Mon 11:35 pm

 

Quoting Abla

tunci, please leave them for learners to translate (if you didn´t already). They are pearls.

 

I think the same criticality has various forms in different cultures. Fat and greedy priests are often made fun of in our local folklore.

 

 

Ok. Abla.

8.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 28 Aug 2012 Tue 05:07 am

My favorite one:

 

Bir bektaşiye: "Ne için namaz kılmıyorsun?" demişler. O da: "Kur´anda لاَ تَقْرَبُوا الصّلَوةَ  (namaza yaklaşmayın, do not pray) var" demiş. Ona demişler: "Bunun arkasını, yani وَ اَنْتُمْ سُكَارَى (sarhoşken, when you are drunk) yı da oku" denildiğinde, "Ben hâfız değilim" demiş

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9.       Abla
3647 posts
 28 Aug 2012 Tue 09:08 am

Quote:tunci

Bir Mevlevi ile Bektaşi aralarında sohbet ediyormuş. Bektaşi sormuş: “Sizin hırkalarınızın
yenleri neden bu kadar geniş olur?” Mevlevi açıklamış: “Başkalarında gördüğümüz kusurları
örtmek için.” O da sormuş: “Ya sizin hırkalarınızın yenleri niye bu kadar dar olur?” Bektaşi
açıklamış: “Biz hiç kimsede kusur görmeyiz ki...”

 

My Try:

 

A Mevlevi and a Bektashi had a chat. Bektashi asked: "Why are the sleeves of your garment always so wide?" Mevlevi clarified: "So that we can cover the faults that we see in other people." On his behalf he asked: "What about the sleeves of your garment, why are they so narrow?" "We don´t see any fault in anyone you know" Bektashi explained.



Edited (8/28/2012) by Abla

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10.       Abla
3647 posts
 28 Aug 2012 Tue 09:19 am

Quote:ikicihan

Bir bektaşiye: "Ne için namaz kılmıyorsun?" demişler. O da: "Kur´anda لاَ تَقْرَبُوا الصّلَوةَ   (namaza yaklaşmayın, do not pray) var" demiş. Ona demişler: "Bunun arkasını, yani وَ اَنْتُمْ سُكَارَى  (sarhoşken, when you are drunk) yı da oku" denildiğinde, "Ben hâfız değilim" demiş

 

A Bektashi was once asked: "Why don´t you pray?" He answered: "There is a verse in the Qur´an which says ´don´t pray´." They told him: "Read the end of it also: ´...when you are drunk´." When this was told to him he answered: "I am not one of those who memorize the Qur´an."

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