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60.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 02:54 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Instead of  getting edgy about what people say, you should think positive and accept the fact that you have never had any right to silence anybody whatsoever anytime anywhere.

It was in the old days of republic in which some thought they can surpress people forever. They thought they have right to determine what is correct, what is good on behalf of the people. And some still think that they have right to dictate what people are allowed to say or not.

Btw There is no national rule for that. There never was. It was more like guidelines anyway. (wow.  It sounded like pirates of caribbean)

 

 

Who gives a damn about what people say ?

I am showing the rational way, to those who can understand it. That is all !

If you think freedom of expression includes the right to insult others, you should not be offended if I call you - and your admirers - the greatest idiots in this site.

 



Edited (2/19/2013) by AlphaF

61.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 06:11 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

Who gives a damn about what people say ?

I am showing the rational way, to those who can understand it. That is all !

If you think freedom of expression includes the right to insult others, you should not be offended if I call you - and your admirers - the greatest idiots in this site.

 

 

I would be careful if I were you.. You should know by now what comes after lowering the bar of morality. 

{#emotions_dlg.voodoodoll}

 

62.       Abla
3647 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 09:37 pm

Quote: alameda

Considering the previous posts were not in English, and your response was in English, I question your motives. Looking for English speaking fans, are you?

I was curious how long it would take for you to start heated arguments here. Now I know.

I cannot believe my eyes. The forum language is supposed to be English. Even if every single Turk ignored it it is still English.

 

What thehandsom wrote about is freedom of word, the right to think differently and express it in public. These values do not seem very popular at TC but I support them always and everywhere.

 

It is so cool that he is back.

63.       melissa_oz
30 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 10:06 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

I cannot believe my eyes. The forum language is supposed to be English. Even if every single Turk ignored it it is still English.

 

What thehandsom wrote about is freedom of word, the right to think differently and express it in public. These values do not seem very popular at TC but I support them always and everywhere.

 

It is so cool that he is back.

 

Freedom of word does not give you a right to wishing people bad. [cursing if you like] --> by saying " You would [will] be with your dictator [Atatürk] after this life [in hell] ---> Do you call this "freedom of word" ? By the way ,I didnt know he was the protector of the values on this site. 

 

 

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64.       ladybakunin
12 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 10:19 pm

Süperkahramanımız diktatördü buna denecek laf yok Fakat din de dogmadır.Herhangi bir dini inanç üzerinden kurulan bir düzen sorgulanamaz ;bir mantığa oturmaz dinadamlardan oluşan üst bir sınıf yaratmayı öngörür.Boşuna tartışmayınız ;hem bu konu tarihçilerin ve teologların işidir  hem de zannımca burası yeri değildir.

65.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 10:20 pm

A long polemic without me at the end. Now I can die happily

66.       Abla
3647 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 10:25 pm

Quote: melissa_oz

Freedom of word does not give you a right to wishing people bad. [cursing if you like] --> by saying " You would [will] be with your dictator [Atatürk] after this life [in hell] ---> Do you call this "freedom of word" ?

 

Now that you ask  -  yes.

 

Behaving oneself is another thing. Insulting other people´s feelings seldom gives good results.

67.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 11:15 pm

 

Quoting ladybakunin

Süperkahramanımız diktatördü buna denecek laf yok Fakat din de dogmadır.Herhangi bir dini inanç üzerinden kurulan bir düzen sorgulanamaz ;bir mantığa oturmaz dinadamlardan oluşan üst bir sınıf yaratmayı öngörür.Boşuna tartışmayınız ;hem bu konu tarihçilerin ve teologların işidir  hem de zannımca burası yeri değildir.

 

Of course he was. I would not jump into the middle and scream about it but I would respect people who want to say that. Religion? of course it is a dogma too.  Same type of criticism is allowed for Mohammed/jesus/budha etc.  Actually the way you see the reactions from both groups to the criticism are showing the same sort of nature.   

68.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 11:31 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Of course he was. I would not jump into the middle and scream about it but I would respect people who want to say that. Religion? of course it is a dogma too.  Same type of criticism is allowed for Mohammed/jesus/budha etc.  Actually the way you see the reactions from both groups to the criticism are showing the same sort of nature.   

Halkı tarafından bu kadar sahiplenilmiş, halkı ile omuz birliği yaparak yurt topraklarını işgalcilerden kurtarmış, Türkiye´yi modernleştirme adına bu kadar çabalarda bulunmuş bir insan için şu an tamamen olumsuz bir anlama sahip olan diktatör kelimesinin kullanılmasını doğru bulmuyorum. Böyle bir kelimeyi Atatürk için kullanmak onu Hitler, Stalin, Mussoliniyle aynı kefeye koymaktır. Ama bu asla doğru değil. Kısaca ifade edeyim: yemezler {#emotions_dlg.get_you}

 

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69.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 12:00 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

Halkı tarafından bu kadar sahiplenilmiş, halkı ile omuz birliği yaparak yurt topraklarını işgalcilerden kurtarmış, Türkiye´yi modernleştirme adına bu kadar çabalarda bulunmuş bir insan için şu an tamamen olumsuz bir anlama sahip olan diktatör kelimesinin kullanılmasını doğru bulmuyorum. Böyle bir kelimeyi Atatürk için kullanmak onu Hitler, Stalin, Mussoliniyle aynı kefeye koymaktır. Ama bu asla doğru değil. Kısaca ifade edeyim: yemezler {#emotions_dlg.get_you}

 

 

I never put Ataturk as the same level as Hitler/Stalin etc. I also have a great respect for what he did and I am greatful what he did.

However it does not change the fact that he was not a very democratical person. People who think that they are protecting Ataturk are the people who are damaging his values and his reputation the most by trying to create this so self delusional almost god-like perceptions of Ataturk.

He has my almost utmost respect. I show my respect with the knowledge of him. He was a human being, he did the most he could do for this country. You trying to show him like a  some kind of North Koran leader who can not be cristicised etc  is damaging him. But he was not very fond of democracy which we know in these days.

But does this change the fact about what he did? NO. does it the reason not to respect him becuase of this? NO. Does he require your protection? NO

It is best you can get a grip of this fact.

 

 

 

70.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 02:23 pm

 

Quoting ladybakunin

Süperkahramanımız diktatördü buna denecek laf yok Fakat din de dogmadır.Herhangi bir dini inanç üzerinden kurulan bir düzen sorgulanamaz ;bir mantığa oturmaz dinadamlardan oluşan üst bir sınıf yaratmayı öngörür.Boşuna tartışmayınız ;hem bu konu tarihçilerin ve teologların işidir  hem de zannımca burası yeri değildir.

 

Aramızda muhtemelen tarihçier de var, teologlar da...Her iki sınıfa da girmiyorsanız, konular da ağır geliyorsa, dışında kalabilirsiniz.

Atatürk diktatör değildi. Anadoluya gectiğinde ilk işi bir millet meclisi toplamak üzere çalışmak olmuştur. Yaşamı boyunca, Başkumandanlık Meydan Muharebesi esnasında kısa bir dönem hariç, meclisi kısmen de olsa etkisiz ve yetkisiz kıldığı olmamıştır.

Yobazlar ne derlerse desinler, Türk Kurtulus Savaşının gayet pragmatik Kurani temellere oturtulduğu da asla yadsınamaz. Bu konuda bilinen teologlardan Sn Yaşar Nuri Öztürk´ün bir kitabı var...henüz yasaklanmadıysa piyasada bulunabilir.

 

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