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1.       prontofalei2
1 posts
 13 Feb 2013 Wed 11:39 am

merhaba arkadaşlarım,

 

brezilialıyım Van´da ailemle oturuyorum, Türkçe öğreniyorum. Bir sorum var:

 

ettirgen fiiller:

mesela: beklemek -- bekletmek -- beklettirmek

the first one I make the action (I wait - bekliyorum)

second one I make someone wait (ben seni beklettim, kusura bakma)

what about the third one ??? beklettirmek, can some one give an example ?

 

Teşekkürler

 

Tiao

2.       elenagabriela
2040 posts
 13 Feb 2013 Wed 12:26 pm

take a look here

I hope it helps

http://www.turkishclass.com/sfa/turkce/forumTitle_15059_2

3.       si++
3785 posts
 13 Feb 2013 Wed 12:30 pm

 

Quoting prontofalei2

merhaba arkadaşlarım,

 

brezilialıyım Van´da ailemle oturuyorum, Türkçe öğreniyorum. Bir sorum var:

 

ettirgen fiiller:

mesela: beklemek -- bekletmek -- beklettirmek

the first one I make the action (I wait - bekliyorum)

second one I make someone wait (ben seni beklettim, kusura bakma)

what about the third one ??? beklettirmek, can some one give an example ?

 

Teşekkürler

 

Tiao

 

That seems to be double factitive (or causative if you prefer)

beklemek = wait (for something/someone)

bekle-t-mek = make somebody wait (for something/someone)

 

beklet-tir-mek = make somebody make somebody else wait (for something/someone)

 

for instance:

Ali´yi dışarıda bekle-t-tir-dim = I made somebody make Ali wait outside

4.       Laleler
84 posts
 13 Feb 2013 Wed 01:35 pm

uç mak = to fly   (a verb that can not that object)

kuş uçtu= bird flied

ur mak=to blow away  (it became a verb that can take object)

uçurtma uçurdum. i flied a kite.

urt mak=to make someone to blow away  (this give these meanings make,let,provide,support)

Ben bahçemde çocuklara uçurtma uçurtmam.

I do not let childeren to fly kites in my garden.

Büyü mek=to grow up (can not take object)

She grew up in a nice town

Büyüt mek=to raise (can take object) ,to enlarge

İki çocuk büyüttü.

He raised two childeren.

Büyüttür mek =to make enlarge

Fotoğrafımı fotokopiciye büyüttürdüm.

I made photocopier to enlarge my photo.

5.       Laleler
84 posts
 13 Feb 2013 Wed 01:47 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

That seems to be double factitive (or causative if you prefer)

beklemek = wait (for something/someone)

bekle-t-mek = make somebody wait (for something/someone)

 

beklet-tir-mek = make somebody make somebody else wait (for something/someone)

 

for instance:

Ali´yi dışarıda bekle-t-tir-dim = I made somebody make Ali wait outside

 

 it is double factive because bekle mek verb can take object.

beklet mek is factive form of bekle mek

beklettir mek is double factive

if a verb that can not take object take r,dır,t suffix it becomes causative (oldurgan) so it can take object. if you add r,dır,t suffix to causative it becomes factive, it you add r,dır,t suffix to factive it becomes double factive.

6.       si++
3785 posts
 14 Feb 2013 Thu 10:55 am

 

Quoting Laleler

 

 

 it is double factitive because bekle mek verb can take object.

beklet mek is factitive form of bekle mek

beklettir mek is double factitive

if a verb that can not take object take r,dır,t suffix it becomes causative (oldurgan) so it can take object. if you add r,dır,t suffix to causative it becomes factitive, it you add r,dır,t suffix to factive it becomes double factitive.

 

Factitive not factive!.

 

A verb that can take an object is called "transitive".

 

It is not "double factitive" because "beklemek" is transitive.

 

How ´bout then uyumak for example, which is "intransitive"?

 

uyumak = sleep (intr.)

uyu-t-mak =make somebody sleep (tr. first layer)

uyut-tur-mak = make somebody make somebody else sleep (tr. second layer)



Edited (2/14/2013) by si++

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