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10.       denizli
961 posts
 24 Sep 2014 Wed 10:29 pm

Quoting KediNero

 

Tıp fakültesinde öğrenciyim.

 

 

 

For #1, the reason the extra ´n´ is needed is because there already is an ending, from http://www.turkishlanguage.co.uk/suffix.htm:

 

Static Position Condition:
Suffix -da/-de - any suffix appended to a soft word ending must begin with a soft consonant -d - according to Consonant Mutation rules
or -ta/-te- any suffix appended to a hard word ending in (p ç t k s ş h f) must begin with a hard consonant -t - according to Consonant Mutation rules
or -nde/-nda when affixed to extended words which end in a vowel.
The Static is the condition of place equates to in, on, at in English. (the locative)

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11.       doudi94
845 posts
 24 Sep 2014 Wed 10:40 pm

 

Quoting denizli

 

 

For #1, the reason the extra ´n´ is needed is because there already is an ending, from http://www.turkishlanguage.co.uk/suffix.htm:

 

Static Position Condition:
Suffix -da/-de - any suffix appended to a soft word ending must begin with a soft consonant -d - according to Consonant Mutation rules
or -ta/-te- any suffix appended to a hard word ending in (p ç t k s ş h f) must begin with a hard consonant -t - according to Consonant Mutation rules
or -nde/-nda when affixed to extended words which end in a vowel.
The Static is the condition of place equates to in, on, at in English. (the locative)

Wow Deniz! That is a useful piece of information-Ill take care not to make that mistake again Thank you

 

12.       KediNero
418 posts
 24 Sep 2014 Wed 10:50 pm

 

Quoting doudi94

This is another try-hopefully better than the first time! Experimenting with word order a bit.

 

-I am watching tv

TV izliyorum/seyrediyorum.

 

-I am watching tv with my mother

Annemle beraber tv izliyoruz/seyrediyoruz.

 

-I am watching an interesting film with my mother on tv

Annemle beraber tvde enteresan bir film izliyoruz.

 

-I am watching a film with my mother, I think its very interesting but she slept while watching.

Annemle beraber film izliyoruz, bence film çok enteresan ama annem izlerken uyudu.

 

 

-I think the film which is on tv is very interesting.

Bence tvdeki film çok enteresan.

 

 



Edited (9/24/2014) by KediNero

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13.       tunci
7149 posts
 25 Sep 2014 Thu 11:07 am

 

Quoting denizli

Türkçe biraz konuşabiliyorum,ama hala öğrenmekteyim./                                                                            hala öğreniyorum.

Little touch, putting "hala" [still] may sound better to Turks ears.


I thought #3 was OK? Is Biraz türkçe konuşabilirim, ama öğreniyorum OK? Does it have a little different meaning.

 

Can #2 be done with sürmek somehow?

 

Yes, it can be done with "sürmek ", we use both in that case.

Araba sürmeyi biliyorum. ---> I know how to drive. [literally "I know driving car]

Araba kullanmayı biliyorum.--> I know how to drive. [Litearally "I know using car]

2 yıl önce araba kullanmayı öğrendim. ----> I learnt how to drive 2 years ago.

2 yıl önce araba sürmeyi öğrendim. ----> //      //                //         //  

 



Edited (9/25/2014) by tunci

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14.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 25 Sep 2014 Thu 01:27 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

Yes, it can be done with "sürmek ", we use both in that case.

Araba sürmeyi biliyorum. ---> I know how to drive. [literally "I know driving car]

Araba kullanmayı biliyorum.--> I know how to drive. [Litearally "I know using car]

2 yıl önce araba kullanmayı öğrendim. ----> I learnt how to drive 2 years ago.

2 yıl önce araba sürmeyi öğrendim. ----> //      //                //         //  

 

 

 One other point to add, as a native English speaker.

 

You have to say araba sürmek or araba kullanmak not just sürmek. In English we often just use a verb, without saying the object e.g. I can drive. I am ironing. I am knitting.

In Turkish you have to say "I can drive a car". I am ironing the ironing. I am knitting the knitting.  (araba sürmek. ütü ütülemek. örgü örmek).

 

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15.       doudi94
845 posts
 26 Sep 2014 Fri 05:37 am

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

Yes, it can be done with "sürmek ", we use both in that case.

Araba sürmeyi biliyorum. ---> I know how to drive. [literally "I know driving car]

Araba kullanmayı biliyorum.--> I know how to drive. [Litearally "I know using car]

2 yıl önce araba kullanmayı öğrendim. ----> I learnt how to drive 2 years ago.

2 yıl önce araba sürmeyi öğrendim. ----> //      //                //         //  

 

 

Tunci, can u please explain to me the alterations that Kedinero made on my first try grammar wise? Because I didnt really unerstand why he made them so my benefit/gain from trying was very minimal (I do appreciate it alot though kedinero! {#emotions_dlg.shy})

16.       tunci
7149 posts
 26 Sep 2014 Fri 04:48 pm

 

Tıp fakültesi + n + de

 When the noun compound ends with a vowel and before taking any case ending “n” buffer comes.

 

Mutfak  masası -à Kitchen table

We want to say “ On the kitchen table”, to be able to say “on” we need “da/de” case suffix. And naturally we need “n” buffer.

 

Mutfak masası  + n + da -à On the kitchen table.

[Mutfak masasında]

 

Tıp Fakültesi -à Faculty of Medicine

Tıp Fakültesi + n + de -à At the Faculty of  Medicine

Tıp Fakültesinde öğrenciyim. I am a student at the Faculty of Medicine.

 

 

 

17.       doudi94
845 posts
 26 Sep 2014 Fri 06:09 pm

 

Quoting KediNero

 

Tıp fakültesinde öğrenciyim.

İki yıl önce araba kullanmayı öğrendim.

Biraz türkçe konuşabiliyorum, ama öğrenmekteyim.

 what does that suffix mean?

Gelecek hafta operaya gitmek istiyorum ama arkadaşım annesiyle birlikte yolculuk ediyorlar.

     why not conjugate it in the future tense, when Im speaking of NEXT weekend

Arkadaşlarımla dışarıya çıkmadan önce anneme bildirmeliyim.

 This means must right? She must know? and ´-dir´ refers to anne?

 

So sorry for all the trouble

 

my try

 

 

18.       tunci
7149 posts
 26 Sep 2014 Fri 09:35 pm

 

İki yıl önce araba kullanmayı öğrendim.

Your original sentence was :

I learned how to drive 2 years ago and you come up with a sentence like this -à  önce iki yıl, sürücüme öğrendim.

Ok. You started with “time”, which is correct and you put the main verb [öğrenmek] in the end which is correct too.

But, stating time I think you thought in English way -à

“ before two years = önce iki yıl “ which sounds odd. It should be first the number [2 yıl ] then  “önce”

 

İki yıl önce ………………………………….öğrendim.

Time      ……………………………………. Verb

 

 

Knowing that Turkish Word order

Subject   Object  Verb

Note that placing “time” is more flexible. So you can put it in the begining or in the middle of the sentence.

 

Where is the subject ?? [Ben] , it is embedded and marked in the main verb in the end. [öğrendim ]

 

[ Ben] iki yıl önce.................öğrendim.

 

Where is the object ? -à driving car [how to drive a car]

 

Araba sürme -à driving car

Araba sürme + y [buffer letter] + i [accusative ending ,because the verb öğrenmek requires accusative marking for direct object]

 

 

İki yıl önce araba sürmeyi [kullanmayı ] öğrendim.

19.       tunci
7149 posts
 26 Sep 2014 Fri 09:38 pm

 

Biraz türkçe konuşabiliyorum, ama öğrenmekteyim.

 what does that suffix mean?

 

This suffix “mekte”, “makta” functions as “-iyor” however, there is slight differences between these two kind of suffixes although both indicate the continues tense.

-        The usage of –makta[mekte] is not as common as –iyor[ıyor, uyor, üyor ]

-        -makta may be used more formal statements.

·       Also, the main difference is , the –makta sentence , the action has definitely started started and still continuing.

·       Whereas –iyor sentence may have not necessarily started, as in the example below:

 - Yarın İstanbul’a gidiyorum.  --à I am going to Istanbul TOMORROW.

In the sentence above, “the present continues tense action” actually has NOT started yet. In other words, “My going to Istanbul hasn’t started yet”

 

Going back to your original sentence,

Biraz türkçe konuşabiliyorum, ama hala öğrenmekteyim.

I speak little Turkish but I am still learning.

 

The action started in the past and still continuing, I mean your learning Turkish is still happening.

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20.       tunci
7149 posts
 26 Sep 2014 Fri 10:07 pm

 

Gelecek hafta operaya gitmek istiyorum ama arkadaşım annesiyle birlikte yolculuk ediyorlar.

     why not conjugate it in the future tense, when Im speaking of NEXT weekend

 

Because “your wantING to go to opera NOW “  The incompleted  possible future action “your going to opera” is supposed to take place next week,

However at the very time you make this statement  you are expressing your “your wanting/willing “ to go to opera at present time.

 

Arkadaşlarımla dışarıya çıkmadan önce anneme bildirmeliyim.

 This means must right? She must know? and ´-dir´ refers to anne?

 

Yes, this means “I must inform my mother “

 

No, -dir is part of  verb “bildirmek” = to inform

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