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Have to... / lazim / gerek / zorunda
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 12:32 pm |
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hey everybody,
maybe you can help me....
lazim / gerek / zorunda
all three of them mean must / have to...
When do I have to use which / is there a diffrence by the meaning of it ?(depending on the situation ??)
and what about the tenses ( future with olacak)
everything else with suffix like "lazimdi"
and how do I use "not" / with değil or with yok ?
Thanks for your help
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 12:39 pm |
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Quoting angel_: and how do I use "not" / with değil or with yok ? |
This part I can answer - the rest I will leave for others!
değil used to show that something is not the case whereas yok is used to show something doesn't exist.
Examples:
köpeğim - my dog
köpeğim yok - I don't have any dogs
ekmek yok - there isn't any bread
bu araba yeşil - this car is green
bu araba yeşil değil - this car is not green
Verbs can also be made negative with the -me suffix:
eve gidiyorum - I am going home
eve gitmiyorum - I am not going home
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 12:44 pm |
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Quoting angel_: lazim / gerek / zorunda
all three of them mean must / have to...
When do I have to use which / is there a diffrence by the meaning of it ?(depending on the situation ??) |
I'll have a stab at this part as well 
lazım - it is generally necessary
gerek - it is required by someone or something
zorunda - it is required because there is no other choice
Bugün çalışmak lazım - Today work is necessary
Bugün çalışmam gerek - Today I am required to work
Bugün çalışman zorunda - Today you have no choice but to work
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 12:49 pm |
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thanks bod
but with "not" Değil or yok"
I mean: lazim değil / or lazim yok
I mean: gerek değil / or gerek yok
I mean: zorunda değil / or zorunda yok
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 01:04 pm |
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Quoting angel_: thanks bod
but with "not" Değil or yok"
I mean: lazim değil / or lazim yok
I mean: gerek değil / or gerek yok
I mean: zorunda değil / or zorunda yok |
I think "değil" is used but hopefully someone will confirm this.
Bugün çalışmam lazım değil - It is not necessary for me to work today
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 01:07 pm |
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You can also show necessity with the -meli- suffix.
I have asked about this in this thread but so far it has not been answered 
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 01:42 pm |
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hey bod..
thats what I found out so far
Possibilities to say have to / must
1. lazım
2. gerek
3. zorunda
4. suffix -meli / -malı
When you want to say a "positv" sentece
lazım and gerek are both possible to use (they are changable)
Bana para lazım
Bana para gerek
Bugün calışmam lazım
Bugün calışmam gerek
"negativ" senteces are like this:
Bugün calışmam lazım değıl
Bugün calışmam gerekli değıl ( dont forget the li)
or you can say:
Bugün calışmam gereksiz.
Bugün calışmam lüzumsuz.
Next: zorunda: "positv"
Bugün calışmak zorundayım
"negativ": I have no idea: Maybe :.... zorunda değılım...
Next: - suffix -meli / -malı
It means as well "must"
positiv:
Bugün calışmalıyım (correct - as you said- I believe)
negativ:
bugün calışmamalıyim
But this still does not help me with my other questions:
My book tells me that I can use all forms
So.. is there really no difference ?
Which use turkish people most ?
What about the diffrent times - like future (with olacak)and past with -idi- ?
(hopefully my English is well enough that you can undstand me and maybe somebody else as well my problem in this case)
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:16 pm |
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Quoting bod: Bugün çalışman zorunda - Today you have no choice but to work |
"zorunda" is different a little bit.
I have to: zorundayım
Bugün çalışmak zorundayım
I have to work today
for "you" - "sen"
Bugün çalışmak zorundasın
Today, you have to work(or study).
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:21 pm |
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Quoting bod: Bugün çalışmam lazım değil - It is not necessary for me to work today |
This is ok also, by the way, I have a better one:
Bugün çalışmam gerekmiyor
I dont have to work today (or study)
Another example:
-Kitap mı almak lazım?
Is it necessary to buy the book?
+Hayır alman gerekmez
+No, you dont need to buy it
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28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:45 pm |
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Quoting angel_: hey bod..
thats what I found out so far
Possibilities to say have to / must
1. lazım
2. gerek
3. zorunda
4. suffix -meli / -malı
When you want to say a "positv" sentece
lazım and gerek are both possible to use (they are changable)
Bana para lazım
Bana para gerek
Bugün calışmam lazım
Bugün calışmam gerek
"negativ" senteces are like this:
Bugün calışmam lazım değıl
Bugün calışmam gerekli değıl ( dont forget the li)
or you can say:
Bugün calışmam gereksiz.
Bugün calışmam lüzumsuz.
Next: zorunda: "positv"
Bugün calışmak zorundayım
"negativ": I have no idea: Maybe :.... zorunda değılım...
Next: - suffix -meli / -malı
It means as well "must"
positiv:
Bugün calışmalıyım (correct - as you said- I believe)
negativ:
bugün calışmamalıyim
But this still does not help me with my other questions:
My book tells me that I can use all forms
So.. is there really no difference ?
Which use turkish people most ?
What about the diffrent times - like future (with olacak)and past with -idi- ?
(hopefully my English is well enough that you can undstand me and maybe somebody else as well my problem in this case)
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Bana para lazım
Bana para gerek
Bugün calışmam lazım
Bugün calışmam gerek
They all refers that you have to do it because there is an obligatory. By the way;
Bugün calışmam lazım değil
Bugün calışmam gerekli değıl ( dont forget the li)
these tell us that there is no obligatory. And;
Bugün calışmam gereksiz.
Bugün calışmam lüzumsuz.
these means:"It will be better not to work"
So these three types are different.
Quoting angel_: "negativ": I have no idea: Maybe :.... zorunda değılım... |
exactly, you are right! Like here:
Gitmek zorunda değilim
I dont have to go
Quoting angel_: Bugün çalışmalıyım (correct - as you said- I believe)
negativ:
bugün çalışmamalıyım |
They are "must" and also can be "should" due to the sentence. And negative form nmeans that: "I belive that it would be better not to work"
Quoting angel_: But this still does not help me with my other questions:
My book tells me that I can use all forms
So.. is there really no difference ?
Which use turkish people most ?
What about the diffrent times - like future (with olacak)and past with -idi- ?
(hopefully my English is well enough that you can undstand me and maybe somebody else as well my problem in this case)
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Sure there are some differences, but you should see them in the practices we write.
If you give me a specific example, I can answer your question about future and past forms.
Kolay gelsin!
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