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Have to... / lazim / gerek / zorunda
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1.       angel_
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 28 Jul 2006 Fri 12:32 pm

hey everybody,
maybe you can help me....

lazim / gerek / zorunda
all three of them mean must / have to...

When do I have to use which / is there a diffrence by the meaning of it ?(depending on the situation ??)

and what about the tenses ( future with olacak)
everything else with suffix like "lazimdi"
and how do I use "not" / with değil or with yok ?

Thanks for your help

2.       bod
5999 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 12:39 pm

Quoting angel_:

and how do I use "not" / with değil or with yok ?



This part I can answer - the rest I will leave for others!

değil used to show that something is not the case whereas yok is used to show something doesn't exist.

Examples:
köpeğim - my dog
köpeğim yok - I don't have any dogs
ekmek yok - there isn't any bread
bu araba yeşil - this car is green
bu araba yeşil değil - this car is not green

Verbs can also be made negative with the -me suffix:
eve gidiyorum - I am going home
eve gitmiyorum - I am not going home

3.       bod
5999 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 12:44 pm

Quoting angel_:

lazim / gerek / zorunda
all three of them mean must / have to...

When do I have to use which / is there a diffrence by the meaning of it ?(depending on the situation ??)



I'll have a stab at this part as well

lazım - it is generally necessary
gerek - it is required by someone or something
zorunda - it is required because there is no other choice

Bugün çalışmak lazım - Today work is necessary
Bugün çalışmam gerek - Today I am required to work
Bugün çalışman zorunda - Today you have no choice but to work

4.       angel_
22 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 12:49 pm

thanks bod
but with "not" Değil or yok"
I mean: lazim değil / or lazim yok
I mean: gerek değil / or gerek yok
I mean: zorunda değil / or zorunda yok

5.       bod
5999 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 01:04 pm

Quoting angel_:

thanks bod
but with "not" Değil or yok"
I mean: lazim değil / or lazim yok
I mean: gerek değil / or gerek yok
I mean: zorunda değil / or zorunda yok



I think "değil" is used but hopefully someone will confirm this.

Bugün çalışmam lazım değil - It is not necessary for me to work today

6.       bod
5999 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 01:07 pm

You can also show necessity with the -meli- suffix.

I have asked about this in this thread but so far it has not been answered

7.       angel_
22 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 01:42 pm

hey bod..
thats what I found out so far
Possibilities to say have to / must

1. lazım
2. gerek
3. zorunda
4. suffix -meli / -malı

When you want to say a "positv" sentece
lazım and gerek are both possible to use (they are changable)
Bana para lazım
Bana para gerek

Bugün calışmam lazım
Bugün calışmam gerek

"negativ" senteces are like this:
Bugün calışmam lazım değıl
Bugün calışmam gerekli değıl ( dont forget the li)
or you can say:
Bugün calışmam gereksiz.
Bugün calışmam lüzumsuz.

Next: zorunda: "positv"
Bugün calışmak zorundayım
"negativ": I have no idea: Maybe :.... zorunda değılım...

Next: - suffix -meli / -malı
It means as well "must"
positiv:
Bugün calışmalıyım (correct - as you said- I believe)
negativ:
bugün calışmamalıyim


But this still does not help me with my other questions:
My book tells me that I can use all forms
So.. is there really no difference ?
Which use turkish people most ?

What about the diffrent times - like future (with olacak)and past with -idi- ?
(hopefully my English is well enough that you can undstand me and maybe somebody else as well my problem in this case)

8.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:16 pm

Quoting bod:

Bugün çalışman zorunda - Today you have no choice but to work


"zorunda" is different a little bit.

I have to: zorundayım

Bugün çalışmak zorundayım
I have to work today

for "you" - "sen"

Bugün çalışmak zorundasın
Today, you have to work(or study).

9.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:21 pm

Quoting bod:

Bugün çalışmam lazım değil - It is not necessary for me to work today



This is ok also, by the way, I have a better one:

Bugün çalışmam gerekmiyor
I dont have to work today (or study)

Another example:

-Kitap mı almak lazım?
Is it necessary to buy the book?
+Hayır alman gerekmez
+No, you dont need to buy it

10.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:45 pm

Quoting angel_:

hey bod..
thats what I found out so far
Possibilities to say have to / must

1. lazım
2. gerek
3. zorunda
4. suffix -meli / -malı

When you want to say a "positv" sentece
lazım and gerek are both possible to use (they are changable)
Bana para lazım
Bana para gerek

Bugün calışmam lazım
Bugün calışmam gerek

"negativ" senteces are like this:
Bugün calışmam lazım değıl
Bugün calışmam gerekli değıl ( dont forget the li)
or you can say:
Bugün calışmam gereksiz.
Bugün calışmam lüzumsuz.

Next: zorunda: "positv"
Bugün calışmak zorundayım
"negativ": I have no idea: Maybe :.... zorunda değılım...

Next: - suffix -meli / -malı
It means as well "must"
positiv:
Bugün calışmalıyım (correct - as you said- I believe)
negativ:
bugün calışmamalıyim


But this still does not help me with my other questions:
My book tells me that I can use all forms
So.. is there really no difference ?
Which use turkish people most ?

What about the diffrent times - like future (with olacak)and past with -idi- ?
(hopefully my English is well enough that you can undstand me and maybe somebody else as well my problem in this case)



Bana para lazım
Bana para gerek

Bugün calışmam lazım
Bugün calışmam gerek


They all refers that you have to do it because there is an obligatory. By the way;

Bugün calışmam lazım değil
Bugün calışmam gerekli değıl ( dont forget the li)

these tell us that there is no obligatory. And;

Bugün calışmam gereksiz.
Bugün calışmam lüzumsuz.

these means:"It will be better not to work"

So these three types are different.

Quoting angel_:

"negativ": I have no idea: Maybe :.... zorunda değılım...


exactly, you are right! Like here:

Gitmek zorunda değilim
I dont have to go

Quoting angel_:

Bugün çalışmalıyım (correct - as you said- I believe)
negativ:
bugün çalışmamalıyım



They are "must" and also can be "should" due to the sentence. And negative form nmeans that: "I belive that it would be better not to work"

Quoting angel_:

But this still does not help me with my other questions:
My book tells me that I can use all forms
So.. is there really no difference ?
Which use turkish people most ?

What about the diffrent times - like future (with olacak)and past with -idi- ?
(hopefully my English is well enough that you can undstand me and maybe somebody else as well my problem in this case)



Sure there are some differences, but you should see them in the practices we write.

If you give me a specific example, I can answer your question about future and past forms.

Kolay gelsin!

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