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but suffixes keep bothering me...
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25 Oct 2006 Wed 09:51 am |
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Quoting slavica:
Now when I see “dönmeâ€, “gitmeâ€, “bakmaâ€..., how could I know is it noun or imperative?
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1- The syllable stressed is different.
In the negative verb case, the syllable before -me- is stressed.
dönme -- don't turn, don't come back
gitme -- don't go
bakma -- don't look
isteme -- don't want
But
dönme-- turning
gitme -- going
bakma -- looking
isteme -- wanting
2- From the context. It should be clear depending on the context. You can't be confused.
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26 Oct 2006 Thu 08:10 pm |
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Quoting erdinc
2. "yüzme" in "yüzmeyi bırak" (stop swimming) is the verbal noun version. This is also called short imperative. An imperative is the name of a verb, thus it is a noun. -mak is the full infinitive and it is a noun. -ma is the short infinitive and it is a noun as well.
yüz: stem -me: verbal noun suffix y:buffer i: accusative case suffix because bırak takes accusative.
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thank you so much for your explanations!  they are very informative!!
but i wonder what is the part of speech of "bırak"? i thought only verbs can take accusative case suffix...
after you explained how the 2nd noun should take the 3rd person possessive case i have no problem with the U dönüşÃ¼ yasak sentence, but i wonder why doesn't this sentence : Sola dönüş yasak. take the same form?
does the "-a" added to "sol" render it an adjective? but if i look at it sol as a noun (leftside), can i say "Sol dönüşÃ¼ yasak" ? or vice versa, can i say "Uya dönüş yasak" according to "Sola dönüş yasak"?
finally, i just want to make sure if this is really a special case: in "portakal suyu" , the 2nd noun "su" takes the 3rd person possessive suffix and becomes "suyu", right? by rules it should be "susu" but since it sounds so weird it becomes "suyu"? because i think going for "y" as a substitute for "s" it can be confused as the accusative case suffix...
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| 12. |
26 Oct 2006 Thu 10:20 pm |
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Quoting iHeartCrouchy: but i wonder what is the part of speech of "bırak"? i thought only verbs can take accusative case suffix... |
Hi,
It is "-i bırakmak" (to let go, to release, to leave something) that takes the -i case.
"U dönüşÃ¼"
"sola dönüş"
"dönüş" is just another form of imperative. Instead "sola dönüş" (turning to the left) it could have been "sola dönmek" (turning to the left).
Quote: does the "-a" added to "sol" render it an adjective? |
No, it doesn't. You need to study the case suffixes. They have meanings. Here is a list:
-e,-a case: means "to", "towards" and expresses direction. (For instance okula means "to the school", İstanbul'a means "to İstanbul", "eve" means "to home", "sola" means "to the left".)
-i,ı,u,ü case: is used when the verb applies to the object itself. (For instance, in "İstanbul'u seviyorum" seviyorum applies to İstanbul.)
-de, da case: means "in, at, on" and points location.
"İstanbul'da yaşıyorum" (I live in İstanbul).
-den, dan case: means from.
so ere is another list:
sol: left
sola: to the left
solu: the left
solda: at the left
soldan : from the left
Quote: finally, i just want to make sure if this is really a special case: in "portakal suyu" , the 2nd noun "su" takes the 3rd person possessive suffix and becomes "suyu", right? by rules it should be "susu" |
Yes, you are right. This is the very famous and unique exception. the second u in "suyu" is a possessive suffix. Since we know that possessive suffix takes the s buffer it should have been susu but it is not. The other smillar word is "neyi" instead "nesi" but this is not as unique since both "neyi" and "nesi" are correct and common.
"-i getirmek" : to bring something
"Suyu getir" : "Bring me the water." accusative case
"Bu portakal suyu iyi değil.": "This orange juice isn't good." ("portakala suyu" is a compound noun, or noun modification whicever term you prefer and u here is the possessive suffix).
So su is an irregular example: I will show you a regular example:
Arabayı getir. > Bring the car. (-ı is accusative because getirmek takes -i case)
Bu yarış arabası çok hızlı. > This racing car is very fast. (-ı is possessive suffix and s is buffer in arabası. "Yarış arabası" (race car) is a compund noun.)
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