PURE ENGLISH POETRY, FOR A CHANGE


Are we to believe that the London 2012 Olympics are going to facilitate the implementation of Zion - the ´New Jerusalem´? To recite William Blake´s poem ´Jerusalem´:

And did those feet in ancient time 
Walk upon England´s mountains green? 
And was the holy Lamb of God 
On England´s pleasant pastures seen?

And did the Countenance Divine 
Shine forth upon our clouded hills? 
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark Satanic mills? 

Bring me my bow of burning gold: 
Bring me my arrows of desire: 
Bring me my spear: O clouds unfold! 
Bring me my chariot of fire. 

I will not cease from mental fight, 
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand 
Till we have built Jerusalem 
In England´s green and pleasant land.

I can not find previous messages - on this subject- written by various members, within the record files.

Did anyone erase them? Who dislikes William Blake among us? 

I´ll help you, AlphaF. Here:

                       http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_54245

I tend to agree with you and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the Zion question.

It is so wonderfully obvious, isn´t it ?  

They don´t have to hide it because they were never presupposed to hide it.

Sionizm and semitizm are OK; they are almost obligatory. Antisionizm and antisemitizm however, must be hidden, no? 

Notice our usual religious preachers stay away from this thread? They either can not understand what the thread is about, or they are too polite to sound antisionist.

Hm yes... I have written a very nice Bart/Lisa Simpson post, and a post on how reading Zion in the numbers 2012 is a bit... well, just crazy. Seriosuly. Some people see what they WANT to see.

"Make love not war"... aha, if I move the M..and the K... yes, that line look exactly like Zion! It´s a plot!

Dont be daft barba !

What the hell is a perfectly sionist "dot" doing between figures 2,0,1 and 2 ?

You dont need the "dot", unless you want to write 2.012...

here is the post in question:

http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish/forum/forumTitle_54245

Because otherwise Lisa wouldn´t have a hand...

For years I have to hear crap about Jews, about how this group is to blame for everything, about how Israel holds the power, complot here, complot there. I have heard insults about me and my family, and I have smiled...always. But at one point enough is enough. This zion crap has to stop at one point. Like a bunch of scary Jews is behind everything, and zionism rules the world. I am also done with the way Israel is portayed in the news in Turkey. When a Palestine child is killed I can see it on the news in both Holland and in Turkey. When a Israeli child is killed I can only see it on the news in Holland, and nothing is mentioned about it in Turkey. No wonder people have this weird scewed view that Israel is all powerfull and behind everything, even something as simple as a sporting event! What is WRONG with you people?!?! Get a brain and start thinking logically. If zionism was behind the Olympics, freaking Israel would win ALL the medals!

Lisa ?

I suddenly started feeling disgusted with the whole idea of Oliympics. 

OMG, I came to learn Turkish and I have to read this cr**, next thing pigs will fly, sheep will fart gold and Obama is Zeus re-incarnated! Who cares about what the Olympic 2012 logo looks like? .....and the conspiracy theories behind them....

The Olympics have been awesome and produced the most amazing performances. Who cares if you are a person of the Book, an atheist, or a Budhhist. Who cares if you are a Creationist or Darwinist! Diversity is great. On that note I just wanted to share with you that amongst our closest relatives, the Great Apes, we share 99% of our DNA with Chimpanzees, 98% with Gorillas and 97% with Orangutans. Dementia in humans, is one huge genetic difference we have with the Great Apes.

Now I wish I could say that in Turkish! 

I envy your childhood faith, mdoni. Yes we are all one soul.

Messages hidden in images reach us in a split second. That is their meaning, that is their purpose.

Hi Abla, my apologies... I did not mean to be rude! I don´t dispute the fact of subliminal stimuli in messages and their possible ´effects´ on our psyche. But I hope that it will not have more than a fleeting impact on my intellect and thought- processing, nor impair (too drastically) how I ´view´ others!

My ´childhood faith´ that you are so envious about is nothing to do with faith...but yes everything to do with children.....it is the reality and experience of growing up in a discordant and intolerant of ´others´ society.....and knowing that hate begets hate and violence begets violence. 

No no, I understand what you mean, mdoni. Negative thinking doesn´t really lead us anywhere. But instead of always clapping our hands in the same rhythm with the whole world sometimes it is healthy to listen to dissentients also. They may have something to say.

I haven´t been watching much of the Olymics. They sort of disgust me anyway. The Corporatization, the housing of the help and so much about them is distastful.

The athletes look like they are puffed up on steroids. There is little of the grace and elegance of athletes like Nadia, Christi or Oxana. They have become something else. I don´t remember Nadia looking like that.

Look at the difference.

then this

Now that thing with the extra dot....???? What´s up? The word ZION does pop out. 

Then there is this

One thing rules the world and it is money.

World money today is called Rothschild. Where Olimpics is taking place now (that part of London where Olympic activities are concentrated) is Rothschild´s home base. 

İn your case, that huge genetic difference does not show at all.

Though it has antient Judaic (Masonic) roots. Sionism today has nothing to do with your color. religion, creationizm or Darwinizim. Get your facts straight before you talk so loud.

It is all about money and its crafty manipulation to enslave masses.

I find it disgusting, if some people mockingly insert their malign symbols into an affair that is supposed to be shared by all unaware humanity

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/design/2012/04/are-londons-2012-logos-worst-olympic-history/1838/

Have a look at other Olympic symbols being promoted today. They hardly look like Lisa, do they?

Would anyone wish to explain how those symbols reflect the spirit of Olympic games ?

Where do you think you may have seen the same symbol before?  

WELCOME TO 2012 ILLUMINATI GAMES !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBjxoyxWdOU&feature=bf_next&list=PL76BAD26A8A8B8F18&lf=plpp_video

Some well-known masonic symbols over the olympic mascots:

"the All-seeing Eye" as seen on the one dollar US bill.

"Rainbow" as seen on the movies "Eyes wide shut", "The Wizard of Oz" ...

""Pyramid with an eye", Look at the top of orange mascot.

They say al-Dajjal (the Deceiver, the Antichrist) also has one eye only.

Hi Abla, absolutely, I agree with you dissension is very healthy we need to listen to the voices on the edge. To use Skandi´s words ´We can´t prove a negative´! but we should not shut down those voices through trading in personal insults, (so I shall not respond to Alpha) but rather encourage others in an inclusive way to open up the discourse. Actually I just came on this site to try and learn Turkish and somehow waded into mud. I shall go back to my Turkish classes!

Pssst. The way to feel good here and stay long is not to get too deep into these discussions. Yes, you can do it just for fun but always keep classes and language threads number one on your list. Three sentences to Turkish, one sentence for religion and politics has been a good proportion for me. It´s also good to remember once you have got into a conversation which creates heat to your brain you can step out any time.

Good luck for your Turkish studies.

If he/she has any brains, at all.....

"Therefore, do these All-Seeing Eyes represent "ownership" of the one to whom they point, i.e., Antichrist? Doubt it not."

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1731.cfm

As a public service to all my friends in this panel, I include the picture of an odd contestant from 2012 Olympic Games.

BEWARE ! 

No one rules the world, neither money nor a bunch of zionists. They are too weak to rule it. We are all living our destiny. Everything is under control of God. Still we are responsible for our actions.

Even if mostly jews involved in zionism, there are christian and muslim zionists too. Atheists are not accepted to these groups, you have to at least believe in God. Maybe because if you dont believe in God, you dont belive in satan too!

Edited (8/7/2012) by barba_mama [I have found a symbol on my face! It is shaped like an eye and looks like an eye... I even have TWO! Does this mean that free-masonry has taken over my face?! I´m scared :(]

...we are sick with the symbols.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCK2qNnyrIg&feature=related

by barba_mama [I have found a symbol on my face! It is shaped like an eye and looks like an eye... I even have TWO! Does this mean that free-masonry has taken over my face?! I´m scared ]

Dont try to sound intelligent barba....you will strain your brain 

How to survive from the biggest economic collapse in human history which is so close:

* Withdraw all your money from any bank. Don´t leave a single penny in any bank.

* If you have money, buy physical gold. If no gold available buy silver. If no silver available buy food such as rice, wheat, flour, vegetable oil, drinking water... Stay away from banks again, dont use any gold account.

* Stay away from big cities such as new york, los angeles, philadelphia. If possible move to countryside. if not, find a way to produce your own vegetables in your backyard. There will be a food crisis, too.

* Store some food at home. Canned foods, lots of drinking water, vegetable oil etc. Find a way to cook without electricity and natural gas.

* Store some fuel, electric battery. If possible buy a small generator (power unit).

* Include a gun and some bullets at home for security  reason. There may be riots...

That´s all!

You need to plan ahead to survive the crisis. 

If you feel you will have a better chance within an organized survival group, here is a starting point for you,

http://survival-preparedness.meetup.com/

Amazing that all Americans (except brave and smart barba) seem to be preparing for the final collapse...no kidding !  

My favorite choice RECESSION RIFLE .  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-dibTPrIMY

Hacı, bırakın bu işleri. Recession , collapse falan filan...fena kararttınız enseyi !! Dışarı çıkın da gezin biraz..hava alın..yalan dünya boşverin dolu gelsin!!

Böylesi gayrı ciddi "Hacı" hitabını din tüccarları sadece kendi aralarında kullanırlar. Aslında makbul bir mertebedir, hafife alınmaması gerekir. 

Fakir kim. "hacı" olmak kim ? 

Recession, collapse filan senin kafanla ve senin durduğun yerden görülemez. Bir gün "Hocan" bahsederse anında görürsün.

Bu "Hacı" hitabı "sokak konuşması" dır. Mizahi bir hitaptır. Tabii sen nereden bileceksin ki, senin gibi "Amerika´da yaşayan  Amerikan özentisi" bir şahış nereden bilebilir bunu. Bu arada varoş ağzıyla da konuşurum öbür türlü de konuşurum. Varoş olmaktan da gurur duyarım. Ayrıca senden iyi "Din Tüccarı" bulunmaz. Dini konuları gündeme getiren sensin özenti herif. Saçma saçma konuları gündeme getirip prim yapmaya çalışma. Kimse seni ciddiye almıyor. Kime hava atıyorsun ? 

Bu arada, siyonist faaliyetleri yeni bir şey değil. Sen yeni keşfettin heralde..Bu kadar tırsak olma. Evvel Allah Şanlı Türk Milletine güçleri hiç bir zaman yetmedi yetmez de. Türk gençliği damarlarındaki asil kandan gücünü alır. O yüzden saçmalıkları bırak. Uncle Sam´in zırvalıklarıyla siteyi meşgul etme. Millet senin yüzünden Türkçeden soğudu.

VAROŞ

^* 19. yy. tarihcilerinden sirp asilli râ$id, "tarih"inde belgrad $ehrinin calkantili tarihcesini anlatirken "varo$" sozcugunun ne anlama geldigini de anlatiyor:

//"(...) memalik i islamiyyede ise varo$ lafzi yalniz (tebaa i devlet i aliyyeden bulunan) hristiyanlarin sakin olduklari mahalleye tesmiye olunmak âdet i kadîmeden olup nice ki yahudilerin mahallesine yahud mahallesi ve çifuthane deyü itlaki â$ikâr bulunmu$ (...)" (r$id, târih i vaka i hayret nüma, istanbul, 1291 [1874], p. 94) //

Sen kafayı dinle bozmuşsun..Senin ekmegin ,sermayen din. Ondan besleniyorsun. Varoş kelimesini  bile çarptırıyorsun.

Hollywood kafalı özenti herif..

Uh... since when did I become an American?

Ha ha ha.....I guess AlphaF has made you one...surprise!

Gee, you guys. Would you please write in English for those of us here who expect to be able to read your posts here?

What a depressing prospect. I find it interesting to note the most active places are Anglofile places. The USA has the most, followed by England, then South Africa, what´s up with that? Are these places particularly paranoid, or what?

I sincerely hope and pray things don´t come to that. I would rather share my food than hoard it all for myself. Hoarding and guarding food and water lilke savage hungry dogs do not fit my idea of survival. 

I think it is a cultural thing, yes. Hoarding is not a Dutch thing Have any of you ever seen The Road, with Viggo Mortensen? I think the best preperation for a big "collapse" is just enjoy yourself now, and jump of a rock when the collapse is there. Seriously Survival is not a goal for me. Living is also not a really a goal in my life, but "enjoying my life" is. No point in being alive when it´s total crap.

I´d say I pretty much agree with you, however the problem is some people need a lot to enjoy themselves. Isn´t it better to learn to be thankful for what one has, be full with a simple meal, learn to enjoy the simple things in life. things like the beauty of a dew drop, the aroma of fresh air, or the touch of a gentle breeze?

Too many of us have become over stimulated and unsaitable.

No rocks for me. Ever.

Yani, öylesine ciddiye alacaksın ki yaşamayı,
yetmişinde bile, mesela, zeytin dikeceksin,
hem de öyle çocuklara falan kalır diye değil,
ölmekten korktuğun halde ölüme inanmadığın için,
yaşamak yani ağır bastığından.

(Nazım Hikmet, Yaşamaya dair, the whole poem and the translation is in the poetry section.)

Yes, I´d find the big rock problematic. Although I´d probably starve to death, or be eaten by cannibals. Taking a shotgun to someone over food goes against my nature (I can say now as I sit here with a full stomach). I´d rather just give them the food or water, and, unfortunatly with the way we are depleting our resources, it may come to that. 

NEED HELP TO CHOSE YOUR ROCK, ANYONE?

Those members who have access to Turkish TV channels and interested in the subject can watch a related program on NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC Channel, this Saturday (8th), 22:00 PM.