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Harassment of the muslim woman in Turkey
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 12:58 am |
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Quoting qdemir: Quoting aslı: I really have to ask this question. Şeriat does not allow to go 90 km. without a relative man with you. Şeriat does not allows being around and talk nicely with the man who u can marry. Also şeriat does not allow work outside home, if your husband dont want to (in that case most of them dont). Why are you willing so badly go to university if you cannot have a job anyway? If you insist to work, you will be sinner because you have to use vehicle, touch other men, talk other men, have to travel etc. If this is about education, u can attend college at home as u wish. But if u want to go governer college, you have to obey governer's rules.Simple. I think this is not about right of education. This is about being against the system and check how far they can push. |
Are you stating that any woman wearing a headscarf is longing for Şeriat?, and is it only possible for girl students wearing a headscarf to take a university education in such a system? Also is having a university degree necessary for those who would like to work, or does any person with a university degree have to work? Education lasts a lifetime. It doesn't end when you finish university and have a job.
What would be your response to the below question?
Quoting panta rei:
Put all secularism, democracy, the republic laws, other muslims countries and the situations and women rights in those countries aside. I, too, need and will need secularism, democracy, the republic laws, and many more as much as everyone else needs. I have no problems with all these; they are always welcome. On the other hand, I do want to wear "turban", this is a human right, my right, my freedom. Just like everyone has the right and freedom not to wear turban wherever they like, I have the same to wear it wherever I like. So, how come my right and freedom to wear turban, can be forbidden?
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i agree with asli on her texts also she has already given the answer for your question qdemir!!!
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 01:08 am |
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aslı - Don't preach us about şeriat! Please be sure we, too, know what is what as much as you know. When the subject/issue here is şeriat, say all those and many many more. (they would be always welcome.) But before taking "the speck out of your brother's eye", first take "the plank out of your own eye." For our issue/subject here is "the plank in your eye".
Now tell me - How come you can forbid me from wearing turban/headscarf?
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 01:10 am |
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Quoting aslı: (...)
1. Şeriat does not allow to go 90 km. without a relative man with you.
2. Şeriat does not allows being around and talk nicely with the man who u can marry.
3. Also şeriat does not allow work outside home, if your husband dont want to (in that case most of them dont).
4. Why are you willing so badly go to university if you cannot have a job anyway?
5. If you insist to work, you will be sinner because you have to use vehicle, touch other men, talk other men, have to travel etc.
6. If this is about education, u can attend college at home as u wish.
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Holy crap...... what a God-given slavery. And all this because men are insecure, double-faced, inhumane, jealous perverts with no morals? Who invented these rules!? Women, or their owners??? 
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 01:11 am |
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I cant. Laws can.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 01:12 am |
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Quoting aslı: read my message again. they can attend a home college. rules also says you cannot wear exra mini skirts. any comments about that? U have to wear what the laws allows. If you try to brake the rules you will get punished somehow. |
What rules say that you cannot wear mini skirts? Do you mean high schools or universities? There isn't such rule at universities as you know very well. What's a home college? You can't confine people into their homes by 'otherizing' them. I don't know what you mean by a home college, but you can never know what those people study, or by whom they are taught. If we had been able provide the children in the south eastern cities with a proper education the terrorists couldn't have succeeded in deceiving those children. There lies the same mentality behind the current situation in the region.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 01:14 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting mltm: Just to say, it catched my eye two times here as reading. Iran is not an arabic country.  |
Yes when writing mine İ realized that too, but I dont think there is much difference in their mentality, is there? |
Yes, they are currently governed by a fanatic government although the iranians were not like that years ago. I just wanted to say it because persians don't like to be confused as arabs.
And I don't consider all the arabic countries the same. There are serious differences between countries. Suudi Arabia must be the extreme of all the arabic countries in limiting the women's rights.
Other than this I agree that Turkey is far developped in women rights to any of the countries we mention ofcourse. I have turkish friends with headscarves and they say that they wouldn't prefer to live in an arab country.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 01:20 am |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting mltm: Just to say, it catched my eye two times here as reading. Iran is not an arabic country. |
Yes when writing mine İ realized that too, but I dont think there is much difference in their mentality, is there? |
Yes, they are currently governed by a fanatic government although the iranians were not like that years ago. I just wanted to say it because persians don't like to be confused as arabs.
And I don't consider all the arabic countries the same. There are serious differences between countries.
Other than this I agree that Turkey is far developped in women rights to any of the countries we mention. |
One of my best friends in Holland is a refugee from Iran. Ive known her since we were around 10 years old, so actually I only know about Iran. I read a novel about it written by a Dutch writer (a masterpiece), and from then the stories in the newspaper from İrak all started to seem the same with Iran.. Could be wrong ofcourse.
And yes, Turkey is far developped compared to any of those other countries.
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 01:23 am |
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qdemir Children does not have to wear scarf! We are talking about grown ups here. Açıköğretim Faculty is not otherizing facility. It is for people who have full tim e jobs, kids etc. so they can have an university degree. It is a pretty good option who simply wants to go to university and wear scarf too. You show me one straight muslim just have KURAN nothing but Kuran. They have cults, they have efendi's and they have strategies. The way they wear their turbans tells all. Tie around neck, you are in this cult, pin it on top of your head, you are in this cult, tie it back of your head, you are in this cult, tie it under your chin (just like mother and most turkish mother does) you are not a part of them. Have you see anyone looking like that at the university door? Or are they just like the first three ones?
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 01:24 am |
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Quoting aslı: I cant. Laws can. |
It is so easy, isn't it?, to leave all the burden of the issue to the laws? I am sure when you wrote "Laws can.", you felt such relaxedness, because "thanks God, there are laws. Phewww!", thus you thought you could get free of the issue.
But I am not talking about the laws/rules here, I am aware of all those laws as well. (And I won't even mention that laws can be changed, just like many of the laws have been changed so far.) I am talking about my RIGHT, MY FREEDOM TO WEAR HEADSCARF/TURBAN!
The other point is that, if you can leave all the burden of AN ISSUE to laws that easily, you must also think this "law" case/power,etc., for those islamist countries, and you must simply shut up! After all, what you preached about şeriat are totally and similarly the matter of the laws!
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 01:28 am |
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Quoting panta rei: "the speck out of your brother's eye", first take "the plank out of your own eye." |
where from did you get this? 
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06 Jun 2007 Wed 01:30 am |
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OK. Master! Yes thank god there are laws, and thank god again they cannot change easily as you wish.I am not hiding behind laws. Laws are made by human needs, change by human needs. You have to live the way today, til you reach your goal I did not and I can not preach about şeriat, these are the rules u can easily find on net. Try.
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