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A Feminist Islamic Reform in Turkey
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07 Feb 2008 Thu 12:24 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: AlphaF, no more ! |
You had better be kidding partner  
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07 Feb 2008 Thu 11:27 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: It will not be much fun discussing Turkia with missionaries constantly quoting from ZAMAN, either.
I suggest you treat Turkia and your Turks with care and respect, there are not many of them here...
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Why can't you treat other people with respect? You always refer to bloody missionaries, cursing them. I suspect you have never met one, because you clearly know nothing about them. Your view of missionaries is so clearly and typically media influenced, you believe everything you hear on Turkish media, you go with the flow of hatred towards them and yet, you know nothing about them !
Funny...
Secondly there are so many posts here about how nobody should criticize Turkey yet, there are thousands of incidences on TC where you (plural) criticize and make fun of other countries, other nationalities and their laws, rule and culture.
Once again, you can give but can't take....
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07 Feb 2008 Thu 11:36 am |
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Quoting Cacık:
You always refer to bloody missionaries, cursing them. I suspect you have never met one, because you clearly know nothing about them. Your view of missionaries is so clearly and typically media influenced, you believe everything you hear on Turkish media, you go with the flow of hatred towards them and yet, you know nothing about them !
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Maybe he is confusing 'missionaries' with 'mercenaries'.
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07 Feb 2008 Thu 11:25 pm |
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Ok so i understand that the ban has been lifted and it is now ok for women to wear scarves in Universities. I think i understand why some Turks may be against this,a threat to secularism etc However i don't see the problem.Covered women should have just as much right to an education as a woman who chooses not to wear hijab.
However i do understand that some people see Universities as a place where religion shouldnt be brought in so to speak.I know they view it as a threat to the state they have had created for them by Ataturk and that Gül is a trying to change the nature of Turkey as a secular state, however he can't just come along and do this am i right? This is not the nature of a democracy but a dictatorship.
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07 Feb 2008 Thu 11:58 pm |
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I don't really understand your question (or your post to be honest). Gul was elected - so he is not a dictator 
Has the ban on headscarves actually be lifted yet then? 
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08 Feb 2008 Fri 12:04 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: I don't really understand your question (or your post to be honest). Gul was elected - so he is not a dictator
Has the ban on headscarves actually be lifted yet then? |
I know Gul was elected i meant that people seem to think it is more like a dictatorship because they have the impression that he will just go around changing whatever he wants and making Turkey into an Islamic state rather than a secular one.I was hoping it would be apparent that my question was more of a retorical one instead of one that really required an answer.
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0218889420080202
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08 Feb 2008 Fri 12:48 am |
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Quoting SERA_2005: I know Gul was elected i meant that people seem to think it is more like a dictatorship because they have the impression that he will just go around changing whatever he wants and making Turkey into an Islamic state rather than a secular one. |
I hate to be your Devil's advocate, and certainly would hate to see Turkey become an Islamic state too, but don't you see the irony in your words? Didn't Ataturk also change whatever he wanted by making Turkey into a secular country? Was there not an element of dictatorship in what he did? 
(By the way, as far as I am aware the lifting of the ban on headscarves is still only proposed and has not become law yet - can anyone confirm if this law has FINALLY been passed?)
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08 Feb 2008 Fri 12:57 am |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting SERA_2005: I know Gul was elected i meant that people seem to think it is more like a dictatorship because they have the impression that he will just go around changing whatever he wants and making Turkey into an Islamic state rather than a secular one. |
Didn't Ataturk also change whatever he wanted by making Turkey into a secular country? Was there not an element of dictatorship in what he did?
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oh let me guess what they will say ....'Ataturk had to change everything for people's own good despite people...Ataturk was never a dictator..he was always a great leader blah blah blah'
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08 Feb 2008 Fri 01:16 am |
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Quoting ciko:
oh let me guess what they will say ....'Ataturk had to change everything for people's own good despite people...Ataturk was never a dictator..he was always a great leader blah blah blah' |
Ciko
I remember reading an article about him and it was saying something like 'Ataturk was the last dictator in order to stop anybody becoming dictator after him'.
The change he made was good and necessary for Turkish people.
He was a great leader too..blah blah ..
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08 Feb 2008 Fri 01:18 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting ciko:
oh let me guess what they will say ....'Ataturk had to change everything for people's own good despite people...Ataturk was never a dictator..he was always a great leader blah blah blah' |
Ciko
I remember reading an article about him and it was saying something like 'Ataturk was the last dictator in order to stop anybody becoming dictator after him'.
The change he made was good and necessary for Turkish people.
He was a great leader too..blah blah .. |
Apperantly he could not achieve what he wanted the dictator just after him was Inonu..even worse
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08 Feb 2008 Fri 01:21 am |
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Quarter of U.S. women suffer domestic violence: CDC
This was in the news today...for all those who think domestic relations in the USA have it so great and liberated.
It's also interesting to note:
....11.5 percent of men reported being a victim of what it called "intimate partner violence" at some time in their lives.
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