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Murat the Rat - a dudu tale
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90.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 04:34 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

İ think this matter took more than it deserve,if you want to take this any further,gladly will do in pm´s not at forum .

 

Forum rules

 

+100000000

91.       teaschip
3870 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 04:44 pm

You keep asking me this question gg and i also keep answering you again and again !

Ok,here we are again,

As i said,i wont get myself into such stuff,and i wont !Quote:

 

 

But you already did Canli, when you decided to chime in.   Sometimes it´s better to let people work out their own problems.

 

Anyhow, I forgot what I even posted yesterday after getting off track. I would like to mention to Marion that I enjoyed her story and it did bring up good discussions.

92.       CANLI
5084 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 04:56 pm

 

Quoting teaschip

 

 

But you already did Canli, when you decided to chime in.   Sometimes it´s better to let people work out their own problems.

 

 

 

 To some point,yes i agree

But to some other points,if we did this...things will be off the acceptable track,because also they wont stop .

Each part will try to have the last word up to the extreme!

 

93.       CANLI
5084 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 04:57 pm

 

here we are again

 

Quoting lady in red

As everyone seems to enjoy going round in circles so much I thought it might be nice to take this topic back to the beginning and start all over again!   {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

 

Quoting MarioninTurkey

Great story from John - a long term resident in Fethiye - in today´s Today´s Zaman:

 

We first saw Murat the Rat in our valley when he drove a convertible pink Cadillac past us in a cloud of dust, aftershave and chicken feathers. We had no time to evaluate the car beyond the make and color, but we later saw it to be a mite beaten up and learned that it was about 30 years old -- I would guess approximately the same age as Murat at that time.
 
 
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I have forgotten how we eventually met him, but meet him we did and I actually quite liked him. It´s a funny thing in our marriage, but Die Frau usually susses out these guys very quickly and doesn´t like them. I am a bit slow on the uptake, but I usually do like them even after I have learned their ways. Tanker Ali (drove a petrol tanker) was another and Bent Bulent (don´t even ask) a third. I liked them all. I didn´t approve of their ways, but I liked them.

Murat had a restaurant near the beach not so far from here and ran it with his German wife. We visited the restaurant about a dozen times in the course of one season and soon discovered that Murat had the silver and crooked tongue of a salesman. What was he selling, you may ask. Why nothing less than himself! He explained that he was very wealthy, extremely handsome and a fantastic lover. Die Frau and I looked for evidence of these assertions, but saw none. We did note, however, that tourist ladies were most impressed by his virtues, so we applied the "in the eye of the beholder" lore.

It´s always the case isn´t it? Once you´ve met a person, you tend to see them around a lot. Prior to his dusty and feathery appearance, we had never seen a pink Cadillac in or near our town; now scarcely a day went by without us seeing it. Murat the Rat would be in the driving seat, his long hair blowing in the wind, a blonde bombshell or two with him in the front and sometimes a pal and his girl in the back.

Of course, Murat´s marriage only lasted a year or so, but let´s leave him for now and talk about the general.

Turkish Romeos are amazing aren´t they? Our valley had one who was eventually given a three-page spread in Cosmopolitan. "Beware the holiday Romeo from hell," if I remember well. The article not only described the sheer number of his seasonal romances, but offered testimony from victims of the many cases where he had managed to extract substantial sums of money from them. Here´s the thing, though: He was proud of the article and showed it to everyone.

At the peak of his success, he married a poor dumb cluck from England and she, too, seemed proud of his press exposure! You will have guessed by now that that marriage, too, eventually went the way of Murat´s, but let me tell you precisely how it ended. Romeo was working on a day-trip boat and one day his wife decided to go along for the ride. She settled in amongst the tourists and found herself sitting next to a blousy looking 40-year-old from Burnley (Aren´t about half of all tourists from that grim cotton town or thereabouts?). After some standard tourist talk the conversation took a turn in this direction.

Tourist:

[nudge, nudge] "Ere look at ´im, isn´t he gorgeous?"

Wife:

[embarrassed] "Well, yes, I suppose he is."

Tourist:

[glowing] "I´ll tell you luv, he´s a bleedin´ stallion. What we didn´t do last night just ain´t been done before."

We haven´t actually heard what happened next, so I´ll invent it.

Wife:

"You stupid cow, that´s my old man!"

Tourist:

"Ow gawd."

[Wife throws tourist overboard and attacks Romeo with long, sharp fingernails. In the scuffle, his wig falls off and he loses control of the boat, which hits a rock and sinks, drowning all except the wife.]

A truly happy ending, I think you´ll agree.

Murat the Rat will be in his early 50s by now and we no longer see him around town, neither do we see a pink convertible Cadillac. The new generation Romeo goes for the big black 4x4s with dark windows and air-conditioning.

I used to write letters to English girls from some of these guys and had a lot of fun doing so. Sometimes I would write identical letters to several adjacent girls, and would give vent to my poetic leanings in the writing thereof. Blue eyes? "When I see the blue waters of the Mediterranean, I think of your beautiful blue eyes." Brown eyes, perhaps? "When I stare into your dark brown eyes, I see the infinity of the night sky." No! Come on, that pretend retching isn´t funny; this is poetry, man!

By the way, I must have written some 20 or 30 such letters, so perhaps I should apologize in case there is a recipient of one reading this confession. If you did get one and it all went southbound, then I truly apologize, but if maybe the story has a truly happy ending without any deaths by drowning or whatever, then perhaps you would let me know and, by the way, I prefer Irish to Scotch.

94.       lady in red
6947 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 05:10 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

here we are again

 

 

 And who have I offended??

95.       CANLI
5084 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 05:20 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 And who have I offended??

 

 And who said you have offended anyone ?!

İ was quoting your quote that it would be nice to be back to the topic and open new pages .

İ guess i should add a smiley then to make myself clear !

96.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 05:25 pm

To the fighting team: try focusing on something else. So boring.

97.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 05:27 pm

 

Quoting Roswitha

To the fighting  team: try focusing to something else. So boring.

 

Ros, the topic is closed, what are you still talking about?!

98.       libralady
5152 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 05:30 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

There you go, 70% is nurture - so if you keep on banging onto women that they are sex objects, are you surprised that they end up objectifying themselves? I am really shocked that you put NO blame on the culture! You just put the entire responsibility for this mentality on the indivituals. People behave very differently from culture to culture, therefore.... the culture is to be blamed!

 

Who is responsible for "the culture" - this is a complex question! You can´t say one thing or another. Cultures change over time in a fluid way, you do not notice these changes in individuals, for each individual, what she/he believs seems to be "natural". 50 years ago a woman had no right in England to have a credit card on her own and if 100 years ago a woman was burnt alive for "provoking a man" (=witchcraft), many women also thought it was right! This woman hating did not magically disappear these days, it just changed its form to more subtle ways that can be manufactured and sold by capitalism. Do you think that the massive objectification, increasingly more pornographic media on a daily basis do not affect girls since very early?

 

Look, the fact is that at this point the culture has a certain dominant ideology and all men and women are influenced by it. So even women who work in some places, especially when they are paid to write very specific articles, of course they will write these things - it will not occur to them as somehting outrageous. It takes courage to oppose the dominant ideology that you´ve been raised with and that being all you´ve ever seen. Similarly to people who grew up in an islamic country leaving Islam!

 

There is this common bullshit line sold by capitalists saying that capitalism only offers ´goods´, and you are ´free to choose´ not to buy them. Sounds pretty convincing, doesn´t it?

 

The bottom line is that we live in a male dominant culture, men still own the majority of everything (like 80-90%!). And, male dominant ideological foundation is the foundation of our countries. That means that some beliefs are still rooted in people that are beneficial to men and harmful to women. This ideological foundation is being continuously perpetuated by our media, by pornography, by the kind of culture we live in, by the way things are set up. In a way, men are also ´victims´ of this system, as many normal men end up having misogynistic attitudes after being raised in this system. However, once they become callous enough, they learn to like it, because it´s to their easy benefit.

 

 Sorry I dont have time to write a lengthy prose in repsonse to you, but I did mention culture and I agree it does change over time, therefore peoples behaviour changes.  But I stand by the fact that people can make their own decisions about their behaviour, whether it be a woman who dresses and acts inappropriately or whether it be a man thinking he can behave a certain way because a women has acted or dressed in the certain way.

 

There are many facets to culture and the way it develops over time and people are repsonsible for those changes, man or woman. 

 

I see this initial post has caused quite a response and being a busy lady, I once again missed have trouble in catching up.

 

You already know Catwoman, that I do not blame men for all ills in the world, not having strong feminist views.  {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

99.       lady in red
6947 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 05:34 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 And who said you have offended anyone ?!

İ was quoting your quote that it would be nice to be back to the topic and open new pages .

İ guess i should add a smiley then to make myself clear !

 

 Ok - my mistake

100.       catwoman
8933 posts
 20 Aug 2008 Wed 05:37 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 You already know Catwoman, that I do not blame men for all ills in the world, not having strong feminist views.  {#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

Having strong feminist views, I also don´t blame men for all ills in the world. I tried to explain that... but maybe I was not clear enough.

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