I happen to think it has nothing to do with a man or a women specifically, but rather the individual.  Some women are very needy, do not like to be alone and cling to men no matter what they sacrafice even their own morals. Men have testosterone and some don´t know how to control it.  It doesn´t help that porn and the media exploit sexuality, however we are all adults and some abuse it more than others.  Women and men both can be opportunists and I have seen women take every dime a man has and vise versa.

I don´t think you can use the comparison because I believe most women have an instinct to want to protect their children at all costs, so why would these women want to enable their sons to be jihadists.  Because it´s the thing to do, outside pressure, they don´t know any better?  I don´t believe this. 

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Some women are opportunists, some men are opportunitsts, but how they express this and how easy it is to make tehse choices depends on what options we have in the society. In a culture where how you look is the most important thing, and to be a sexually explicit/provocative woman is the peak of anybody´s dream, women try to be that and men reward them for this. And the society rewards them for this in many different ways. Remove these incentives and you will see how many men and women would actually fiind this to be so important and rewarding.

I think, catwoman was right about the male dominating society.

In the west, you may not feel it entirely because there is a relative equality, but in the east, you feel this inequality in your bones!!

Women´s freedom in the east is the freedom in a way that freedom given to them by men. Where that freedom starts and where it finishes are decision of the society which is controlled by the men. Men decide on almost everything.

I am not sure what she meant by jihadists. I am assuming that she did not mean suicide bombers. if she did not mean suicide bombers, then I can not see anything wrong with what she saying really..

There is a war and and mothers are raising her son for what she believes it is right. Same as Turkish mothers raising their sons and then feeling proud when they are gone to the army..

 I happen to think that women who are explicit/provacative are typicaly very insecure women deep down.  Women who are confident with themselves have no reason to be provocative.  I think it could stem from many things trauma as a kid, not enough attention growing up, drugs but not soley the pressures of mens/society desires.

But you are right remove the incentives and see how many women still get breast enhancements and cosmetic surgery.

I disagree with this of course. First of all, if you are raised constantly looking at pictures of women that men find attractive and that men expect you to look like, every normal person would start feeling inadequate and insecure. It is not about personal weakness. Is it surprising that girls who reach puberty become depressed? While boys become more confident?

Also, women who are trying to be provocative do this because it gives them privilages when they are. They get attention, are admired, are envied... etc. They are liked more, they get more promotions at work, they have privilages everywhere.

No, I did not mean suicide bombers and thank you for allowing me to explain, unlike some other so called pacifists here. I just meant violent men, justifying their actions by their male dominant religious ideology.

I didn´t disagree with the fact that this world is a male dominating society, even though in the west we have more equalities.  But I also don´t believe you can blame womens behaviors as a result of such a dominating world ran by men.  We are all accountable for our own actions, whether we were brought up a certain way or not.

I just wonder how many Turkish mothers are excited their sons are going off to the military?  Being proud is one thing, but raising your son to be a jihadist is a death sentence. 

Of course we are responsible for our actions. And in the west, when women objectify themselves, they do it to get a reaction, to be admired, because this culture rewards it. They do it, because in the west, everybody has the freedom to do whatever they want with themselves and this freedom of women´s sexuality has been insidiously used against women, to exploit their sexuality.

Men say "women should be free to express their sexuality", but of course "we tell them how they should do it".

We are told that we have freedom, but we really do not, because on the other hand, it is common knowledge that this type of behavior is only there for men´s excitement and the purpose is to excite men. So some people then say "didn´t you know what this leads to?". And again, women get blamed.

What do you mean?  We have that all around us, pressures to look good.  You don´t need to look at magazines to feel this pressure.  Then why do women take different paths. Some are more conservative and some are provocative.  I don´t buy that it´s soley the pressures of men.  We can´t continue to blame men for our deficiencies, whether they contribute to our pressures or not. 

They do this to get attention admired etc..exactely.  It´s because they aren´t confident in their abilities to use their god given talents.  You could say the same thing about men and promotions and opportunties.  What about short man syndrome?

Did you ever think about women seem to be more judgmental about other womens appearances more than men.  Women seem to be the worst at criticizing eachother.  So do we still blame the men?

 Well we´ll never know now, whether you were referring to terrorism or not,  will we? You had ample time to explain yourself, even Ros and I gave you an opportunity.  Jihad has more than one meaning and I think one of them may involve violence.  Your post above confirms you were in fact relating to violence when you used the term. 

My response to your original comment was reflecting my opinion that you could actually have used an example that didn´t involve a negative view of Islam, but then why should you spoil the habit you are accustomed to. 

About ´removing incentives´, I wonder if any studies have been carried out?  So what would happen to our appearance and how we view others?  Perhaps this is what life might be like:

 modified http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRlV5RuZ-R0  sorry posted the wrong link originally