And so is calling someone a screaming banshee Canli.  You still haven´t answered how her comments are no more attacks than mine.  Earlier you said that i was being judgemental....well....this is plainly judgemental on your part. 

You say you won´t get yourself into "such stuff"?  Well you already put yourself smack dab in the middle!  But when I ask why you won´t take the other person to task you have no answer.  Clearly it is personal.  How disappointing. 

Now i will make everyone angry !! so you see in an irrelevant Dudu thread all the problems are caused of girls

As usual a discussion about something has been taken over by PT who posts one sensible post and then goes on about HER insulting people around and then whining about people attacking her. This only confirms my earlier suspicions of her being a TROLL. And to deal with a troll there´s just one way - ignore.

About Canli apologising PT and not noticing PT´s insults - have a look at PT´s sarcastic question to Cat about what type of men she prefers or at her calling GG names. Now that´s all sorted let me come back to the discussion NOT about PT.

I don´t believe men are to blame for the Dudu phenomenon. Some women are emotionally insecure and thus cling to any sign of affection like old dogs. Here it is more of media influence that woos women with images of idyllic love, faithful lovers etc. In reality there´s no such thing but a lot of women are unwilling to accept that. So, against all signs they go on believing that Dudu´s requests for mobiles, laptops and/or loan money is ok. It´s business - Dudus provide the service they get paid for. When they think a woman paid her price they dissolve the contract. Sorry, I may sound harsh here, but if you´ve ever been conned by a Dudu it´s entirely your fault. I can understand a thirteen-year-old believing a Dudu but a mature woman? Never.

As for whether women race to looking sexy and well because of men, I think it´s only part of the story. We are animals and animals have mating instincts - both men and women do their best to encourage a partner and in that we are no different from peacocks struting around hens (ahm what do you call a female peacock? ).

When it comes to mother raising jihadists, I wish I could agree that no mother would like to see her son dead. Alas, especially in nationalistic or very religious societies, it is common to put your country or religion before the love of an individual. I bet there are mothers feeding their children with hate that they describe as love. For such mothers it is an honour to lose a child as they believe it´s for a "better cause"

Sorry for this lengthy post but I spent a few days not feeling like replying and it kind of culmulated.

i don´t see the point of discussing something like this. In this kind of situation, both sides are to blame. All we do here is drawing arguments and discussions from generalizations of what we know from "dudu´s" and these "women".

You can´t force others to agree who is saying the right thing or who is saying the wrong thing here. for me, these turkish guys and these women are both to be blamed and pitied at the same time.

There is no black and white to this situation. nobody is more right than the other. we don´t have the slightest idea whether their actions are causes or effects, that leads them to do what they do, or be who they are. Nevertheless, it happens.

For me, whatever happens to these people, they are responsible for their own actions, and they can´t blame anybody else but themselves. whether it´s a turkish guy who makes dating foreign women his "career", or a woman who gives in to these sort of guys easily. it´s not my business, or anyone´s business to judge who is right or wrong among them. for me, all i can do is sympathize.

 This has already been discussed, but of course with time differences, I understand you will want to give your opinion.  That´s fine by me.  Of course I´m responding, but not to keep the pot boiling . . . you´ve commented and I feel a response is in order.  Apologies for any duplication of points.

I don´t think I have been"whining" about being attacked myself but I do "whine" about the treatment of other members.  I jump in, much the same as quite a few members (I´ve already detailed this point in another post).   Actually it was Canli who mentioned an attack on me and if you think I pm´ed her to ask her to do that, think again.  I´m sure you realise, the shark circling post was intended to poke fun at those who complain about being "attacked". 

I told GG she was "screaming like a banshee", I didn´t say she WAS a banshee.  I thought the phrase perfectly captured the mood of GG´s posts, call it a more descriptive alternative to "whining".  To be honest, if someone said I had screamed like a banshee I would have thought it funny, as I do many comments to me. 

My question to Cat was intended in the way it was written, I was interested, given the topic and her comments, in what she looked for in a man.  Yes, I said it in a "humorous" way, but we´ve already established a long time ago that my "humour" does not always travel well and I was curious to know.

Of course I´m not perfect and I mix it like several others here do.  If admitting it makes me "seem"  worse than everyone else, then I can´t do anything about that. 

You have your views and you´re entitled to them, as I frequently state.

So I´m a Troll, is that supposed to bother me? No it doesn´t.

Ignore me?  A classic piece of good advice   They say it takes more than one egg to make a good omelette . . . not the perfect analogy I know but I´m sure you understand.

I think everyone has vented their thoughts on the matter documented by now, although I could of course be mistaken.

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Dear Suis

No bullets from me . . . guilty as charged. 

As everyone seems to enjoy going round in circles so much I thought it might be nice to take this topic back to the beginning and start all over again!   

Quoting MarioninTurkey

Great story from John - a long term resident in Fethiye - in today´s Today´s Zaman:

 

We first saw Murat the Rat in our valley when he drove a convertible pink Cadillac past us in a cloud of dust, aftershave and chicken feathers. We had no time to evaluate the car beyond the make and color, but we later saw it to be a mite beaten up and learned that it was about 30 years old -- I would guess approximately the same age as Murat at that time.

Video   Photo     Audio               I have forgotten how we eventually met him, but meet him we did and I actually quite liked him. It´s a funny thing in our marriage, but Die Frau usually susses out these guys very quickly and doesn´t like them. I am a bit slow on the uptake, but I usually do like them even after I have learned their ways. Tanker Ali (drove a petrol tanker) was another and Bent Bulent (don´t even ask) a third. I liked them all. I didn´t approve of their ways, but I liked them. Murat had a restaurant near the beach not so far from here and ran it with his German wife. We visited the restaurant about a dozen times in the course of one season and soon discovered that Murat had the silver and crooked tongue of a salesman. What was he selling, you may ask. Why nothing less than himself! He explained that he was very wealthy, extremely handsome and a fantastic lover. Die Frau and I looked for evidence of these assertions, but saw none. We did note, however, that tourist ladies were most impressed by his virtues, so we applied the "in the eye of the beholder" lore. It´s always the case isn´t it? Once you´ve met a person, you tend to see them around a lot. Prior to his dusty and feathery appearance, we had never seen a pink Cadillac in or near our town; now scarcely a day went by without us seeing it. Murat the Rat would be in the driving seat, his long hair blowing in the wind, a blonde bombshell or two with him in the front and sometimes a pal and his girl in the back. Of course, Murat´s marriage only lasted a year or so, but let´s leave him for now and talk about the general. Turkish Romeos are amazing aren´t they? Our valley had one who was eventually given a three-page spread in Cosmopolitan. "Beware the holiday Romeo from hell," if I remember well. The article not only described the sheer number of his seasonal romances, but offered testimony from victims of the many cases where he had managed to extract substantial sums of money from them. Here´s the thing, though: He was proud of the article and showed it to everyone. At the peak of his success, he married a poor dumb cluck from England and she, too, seemed proud of his press exposure! You will have guessed by now that that marriage, too, eventually went the way of Murat´s, but let me tell you precisely how it ended. Romeo was working on a day-trip boat and one day his wife decided to go along for the ride. She settled in amongst the tourists and found herself sitting next to a blousy looking 40-year-old from Burnley (Aren´t about half of all tourists from that grim cotton town or thereabouts?). After some standard tourist talk the conversation took a turn in this direction. Tourist: [nudge, nudge] "Ere look at ´im, isn´t he gorgeous?" Wife: [embarrassed] "Well, yes, I suppose he is." Tourist: [glowing] "I´ll tell you luv, he´s a bleedin´ stallion. What we didn´t do last night just ain´t been done before." We haven´t actually heard what happened next, so I´ll invent it. Wife: "You stupid cow, that´s my old man!" Tourist: "Ow gawd." [Wife throws tourist overboard and attacks Romeo with long, sharp fingernails. In the scuffle, his wig falls off and he loses control of the boat, which hits a rock and sinks, drowning all except the wife.] A truly happy ending, I think you´ll agree. Murat the Rat will be in his early 50s by now and we no longer see him around town, neither do we see a pink convertible Cadillac. The new generation Romeo goes for the big black 4x4s with dark windows and air-conditioning. I used to write letters to English girls from some of these guys and had a lot of fun doing so. Sometimes I would write identical letters to several adjacent girls, and would give vent to my poetic leanings in the writing thereof. Blue eyes? "When I see the blue waters of the Mediterranean, I think of your beautiful blue eyes." Brown eyes, perhaps? "When I stare into your dark brown eyes, I see the infinity of the night sky." No! Come on, that pretend retching isn´t funny; this is poetry, man! By the way, I must have written some 20 or 30 such letters, so perhaps I should apologize in case there is a recipient of one reading this confession. If you did get one and it all went southbound, then I truly apologize, but if maybe the story has a truly happy ending without any deaths by drowning or whatever, then perhaps you would let me know and, by the way, I prefer Irish to Scotch.

Well... that´s my thoughts exactly too. And according to this definition of a troll, it also fits.

(now let´s wait for a two page, no content reply to this post... )

I have just learned what a troll is and it seems we have a few here on TLC.

i don´t see what this back and forth insults have anything to do with the topic posted.... ...

 You keep asking me this question gg and i also keep answering you again and again !

Ok,here we are again,

As i said,i wont get myself into such stuff,and i wont !

She said you are screaming like banshee,you said she disguise her crap ,she said....in other thread,you said ....in other thread

And i supposed to sit in between and discuss those matters ? saying,no you shouldnt say this...ohhh and no,it shouldnt been said that way ...?!!!

At this point when things take longer than they should be,and i said i wont put myself in the middle of them,so asking all parts to take their personal issues away from the forum without pointing out to each incident is the best and right thing to do,not to mention its in the forum rules.

Because in that point,all are equally same kind of comments/attacking/fights...whatever you may call them

But talking about abusive relationship is actually off the limit,and cant be allowed for further discussions

Not from her part nor from your part

My personal relationship with PT is same as my personal relationship with you,so if there is something personal here,there will also be something personal there,which there is not as i believe,or is there ?

 So i think no need for you to make such implement !

İ think this matter took more than it deserve,if you want to take this any further,gladly will do in pm´s not at forum .

Forum rules

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