Well we´ll never know now, whether you were referring to terrorism or not,  will we? You had ample time to explain yourself, even Ros and I gave you an opportunity.  Jihad has more than one meaning and I think one of them may involve violence.  Your post above confirms you were in fact relating to violence when you used the term. 

My response to your original comment was reflecting my opinion that you could actually have used an example that didn´t involve a negative view of Islam, but then why should you spoil the habit you are accustomed to. 

About ´removing incentives´, I wonder if any studies have been carried out?  So what would happen to our appearance and how we view others?  Perhaps this is what life might be like:

 modified http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRlV5RuZ-R0  sorry posted the wrong link originally

Look, I did not say that I blame men, as the cause of this. Why do you keep repeating this?

Men have a privilage, and it is normal they don´t want to give it up. Especially when you create an illusion that everything is done with free will and full conscousness of alternatives and consequences. The same way that women have some responsibility for perpetuating this female subordination, men also have responsibility for this.

I have written this clearly - both men and women are brought up to learn that "this is how things are", "this is what your place is". And now, for adult men and women, it is our responsibility to question these ideas. Because we both contribute to perpetuation of them. But this is a conscious effort, a result of consciousness, awareness, knowldedge... in a daily life you do not see these things. You are meant to think that it´s all innocent and natural.

Men get away with no responsibility for this because what happens is that men are behind the scenes, they are not the main players. They just receive a product that they consume and they get away with the lame explanation that "they eat it because they are served it". Kind of like, I killed this person because I had a gun and this person was here.

 I didn´t say you blamed men, I posed a question back to you if you thought men were to blame.  In our modern day society..."this is what your place is"  "this is how things are" has diminished greatly.  Why?  Because woman have taken a stand and times have progressed.  In cultures where the man makes all of the decisions, what actions have women taken to take this stand? 

 Of course there are things out of our control, my point I was trying to make was that we all are accountable for our actions, whether we were brought up a certain way.  If we keep serving them of course their going to eat it.  But if we starve them, well then maybe things would change.  Sometimes you have to change your behaviors in order to get the result your looking for. 

I think the majority of people want to look presentable/aesthetically pleasing.  Sexual attraction does not have to be part of the scenario.  Don´t forget the "feel good factor".  If we feel good about ourselves we feel happier and it has a knock on effect for the people around us.  Where I work colleagues are always complimenting each other on aspects of their appearance and it is a 95% female workforce. 

As far as girls feeling depressed when they reach puberty and boys feeling more confident goes, I don´t believe this is entirely true or due to external factors.  Females are more prone to fluctuations in their seratonin levels for starters and this can affect the way they feel.  As for boys, I don´t agree they are more confident as adolescents, for instance problems with facial acne can affect their confidence (although I am aware this can affect girls too).

Of course external factors can negatively affect boys as much as girls in adolescence and it stays with many of them.  They have hang ups about : premature baldness; lack of height; inability to grow a beard; length of p**is; sexual performance; how to approach girls;

I don´t think any of these things makes a boy more confident. 

Of course there are those who dress to be provocative as has been discussed here but I don´t think that´s the majority, this sector simply gets more publicity because it´s more newsworthy.  And of course the way someone dresses  shouldn´t be a green light for the opposite sex to make an unwanted move.

Catwoman was right when she mentioned the complexity of the issue and I think this is one of those subjects where everyone has made valid points.

You are right that I could have and to be honest, I didn´t put much thought to it when I was writing it. I wanted to give an extreme example to make my point.

Please, do not attack me personally.

I think you are being a little dramatic CW.  My comment was a personal remark about your style, but it wasn´t an attack.  To be honest, I didn´t think it would bother you. I don´t think my remark was any worse than remarks others, including yourself, have made on the forums from time to time (if this makes me a hypocrite, then so be it). 

Dear PT, my habits are really beyond what should interest you, or what you should comment about. Yes, it is one of your many personal attacks that I am asking you to stop making. Stick to the topic of conversation, as we are asking in the forum rules.

Thank you for the public warning Ma´am. 

But actually I did stick to the topic of conversation.  It was you who chose to mention Jihad in the manner you did and you even admitted you didn´t give much thought to the remark.  I think I had every right to highlight it once you brought it into the arena .  In effect what you are saying is that anyone can make any comment they like in order to make a point and nobody should comment on it.  Sorry but I don´t think this is covered by the rules and this sort of thing happens all the time on the site and quite right too.  If people are allowed to make comments that could be construed as offensive or inflamatory in order to make a point about something else, then members have the right to comment and make a judgement.   

As a member of this site such comments ARE my business as they are everyone else´s and as such you don´t have the right to try and censor only when it suits you. 

Life´s tough at the top CW and I know it´s not easy being a Mod.  It´s must be difficult to police all the posts on all the threads to make sure everyone is following the rules.  This incident is highlighted because you are directly involved but, believe me, threads take different routes all the time because of a comment someone makes whilst addressing the original topic of conversation, some light hearted and some less so.

btw I think you´ll find that I don´t make that many personal attacks and rarely do I use words such as hypocrite, double standards etc and rarely do I complain about what is said about me personally (I don´t see the point).  That´s the first time I´ve addressed your claim and it will be the last because it´s futile to get into such discussion and it doesn´t bother me what you think or want others to think about me. What I am guilty of is jumping in and commenting if I think someone has been badly treated.  That is also probably against the rules, but often done by many here.  Having said that, I do remember giving you a piece of my mind before I left a while ago, it´s not really my style and I apologise.

Sorry to the thread´s contributors for digressing on this post.

Whoa!! hold on there !! Okay youre right, In the East, u do feel the inequality a bit more mostly due to traditions and folklore and stuff, of course theyre´ll always be that, but there are a kot of countries in the east who are progressing a lot, personally,and i wont only put Egypt in as an example theres a lso, lebanon and jordan and tunisia, i dont think taht there are any differences between men and woman form the point of equality in most jobs, and its becoming very common to see the woman as the one supporting the family and i have a lot of friends who there mothers are working and their fathers stay at home, and i think theyre progressing quite fast actually, since girls are (no offense boys, but this is from what I witness) are waay smarter than boys and are more aspiring, the whole "i wanna get married and have children" has practically faded away in most modern communities, and the media is helping and contributing to this a lot, and not only middle eastern countries i mean look at japan and china and many others. And the thing about women wanting to feel attractive i think a lot of ppl said a lot of really good points and i agree with them all, everybody has their personal reason. and about the jihad thing i dont think any mother could raise her son to die! Maybe the fatheers because they want what they think is "Honor, and Pride!" which is not true, A father may plant in his son the "defend your country whatever it takes"thing and all that stuff about nationalisim so the son becomes jihadist (i htink) anyway this is a subject that could  stretch on foreveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer!!!

Come on kitty!  Clearly the train has gone off the tracks.  She has no other interests and has been apparently abandoned by her "gang" of 2.  She is going after you out of desperate attempts for attention because this seems to be the only place she gets it.  Don´t feed her need. 

You are constantly attacking so quit with the I´m-so-innocent schtick.   The difference between you and the rest of us is that we are not afraid to say our words openly and don´t tried to hide behind contrived sentences.  

You only think you get away with it because you disguise your crap and try to make it smell sweet and innocent but you know we have been on your game for a LONG time.