good, I would like to stop with the word "scourge", this word means using a scourge to torture someone, it means also punishing someone physically so hard.

But did the verse really said this word, no no no, the word is "beat them" and this beating isn´t the hard one, it musn´t be done by a scourge or any other tool that can hurt, also this beating must not let traces, so this beating is just to warn and not to torture the woman.

And as you see clearly is the reason of beating is not just a too salty food or not bearing male children .......

Another word to say, the man whom can show his physical power against a creature less powerful, if this creature is a woman, a child or even an animal is just a deficiency in his personality and even his manhood (woman isn´t innocent if she could beat a child also "same principle = ppwerful one showing hard muscles to weak one).

When you decide on who the smartest guy here is drop me a line. I hate seeing threads started with good intentions being hijacked.

good, I would like to stop with the word "scourge", this word means using a scourge to torture someone, it means also punishing someone physically so hard.

But did the verse really said this word,

ok then, give the arab word, i will google it.

no no no, the word is "beat them" and this beating isn´t the hard one, it musn´t be done by a scourge or any other tool that can hurt, also this beating must not let traces, so this beating is just to warn and not to torture the woman.

so you are allowing this beating? so if a woman is disobedient then you can beat her?

a beating or even lightly slapping is a DV. isnt it primitive?

And as you see clearly is the reason of beating is not just a too salty food or not bearing male children .......

yes, clearly for more better reason, it orders to beat a woman.

Another word to say, the man whom can show his physical power against a creature less powerful, if this creature is a woman, a child or even an animal is just a deficiency in his personality and even his manhood

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(woman isn´t innocent if she could beat a child also "same principle = ppwerful one showing hard muscles to weak one).

excuse me, woman doesnt = child.

you often have to punish a child for not being obedient, for crossing the busy road without your guidance, for playing with dangerous tools or bullying weaker ones at scool.

When you decide on who the smartest guy here is drop me a line. I hate seeing threads started with good intentions being hijacked.

It´s not important what explanation you give or what you think of words that are used. Fact is: it IS in the Koran, which you denied previously.

Seriously Queent. You cannot be serious with what you just said: "you misunderstood, allah didnt say ´torture them till they die´, he said ´please hurt them carefully, so that you can emotionally kill them´. "

Firstly i didn´t deny it previously, I still say I never saw a verse asking men to beat women in the meaning mentionned in your first post.

Secondly it is not my thinking about the verse, we have books called Tafseer of Quran to explain for whom can´t understand it well, and you can try to check the real meaning of the word used in the verse.

 Queent my dear, we have been over this here so many times. It seems to come up every two months at least. The same acusations are made by the same people over and over. I guess we just have to keep repeating it.

I think the dispute comes over the translation of the word daraba.

A Famous Multi-Meaning Word   

The problem comes from the word "Idribuhunne" which we used to translate as "beat them". The root of this word is "DaRaBa". If you look at any Arabic dictionary you will find a long list of meanings ascribed to this word. That list is one of the longest list in whole Arabic dictionary. It can be said that "DaRaBa" is the number-one multi-meaning word in Arabic. It has so many different meanings, we can find numerous different meanings ascribed to it in the Quran.   

To travel, to get out: 3:156; 4:101; 38:44; 73:20; 2:273 
To strike: 2:60,73; 7:160; 8:12; 20:77; 24:31; 26:63; 37:93; 47:4 
To beat: 8:50; 47:27 
To set up: 43:58; 57:13 
To give (examples): 14:24,45; 16:75,76,112; 18:32,45; 24:35; 30:28,58; 36:78; 39:27,29; 43:17; 59:21; 66:10,11 
To take away, to ignore: 43:5 
To condemn: 2:61 
To seal, to draw over: 18:11 
To cover: 24:31 
To explain: 13:17 

Mohammed sawas was the living Koran. How he treated his wives set the example. It is unfortunate not enough follow his sunnat in that respect.