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Kurdish children jailed in Turkey under anti-terror law
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10.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 11:42 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

+10000

They are not ashamed of putting children in jail as long as those children are Kurdish children..

And they still insist as if THIS is a normal thing! And then they wonder why we have ´Kurdish problem´ and that also explains what ´the Turkish problem´ is..

 

 

This has nothing to do with being kurdish... this is related to Terrorism... you have start understanding the difference... as long as there people exists like you, offending anything done regarding to their being kurdish... we cant make a single cantimeter movement or achievement...

11.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 11:52 am

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 

 

 

This has nothing to do with being kurdish... this is related to Terrorism... you have start understanding the difference... as long as there people exists like you, offending anything done regarding to their being kurdish... we cant make a single cantimeter movement or achievement...

 

Of course it is..

Accusing children is the lowest a sate can get!! Such a shame!!

That is why we all are accusing Israel for example.. That is why we still have kurdish problem for example..

12.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 01:07 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Of course it is..

Accusing children is the lowest a sate can get!! Such a shame!!

That is why we all are accusing Israel for example.. That is why we still have kurdish problem for example..

 

This is not accusing children, there is a crime done by some group of people, children adults etc...

 

How about the people provoking those kids? What to do with them??

 

For them,children, to be arrested would be much more beneficial than their staying in the middle of those provokers... When, the government supplies them in a good conditioned "ıslahevi" where they would have their educations continued etc... If their family are not able to educate them well, then the government should do it... this is how it is done in Europe as i know...

 

I never see this situation agains Kurdish kids, there is a crime and laws should work... There is lack of investments around those region, this is correct... but Kurdish people suffered more from their "Aşiret Ağaları" who abused them for years and years than the government itself...

13.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 01:15 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 

 

This is not accusing children, there is a crime done by some group of people, children adults etc...

 

How about the people provoking those kids? What to do with them??

 

For them,children, to be arrested would be much more beneficial than their staying in the middle of those provokers... When, the government supplies them in a good conditioned "ıslahevi" where they would have their educations continued etc... If their family are not able to educate them well, then the government should do it... this is how it is done in Europe as i know...

 

I never see this situation agains Kurdish kids, there is a crime and laws should work... There is lack of investments around those region, this is correct... but Kurdish people suffered more from their "Aşiret Ağaları" who abused them for years and years than the government itself...

 

The problem is nothing to do with asiret agalari over there but the racism those people have been subjected. The racism that does not want to give and did not want to give any of basic human rights to those people..

And you still wonder why those kids are throwing stones?

And still  support  putting them into jail!!

And turn around and  criticise Israel because of its treatments of Palestinian kids but when some one points out we are doing to our KURDISH kids, "ah but they are supporting terrorist"

Yeah yeah.. 

14.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 01:28 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

The problem is nothing to do with asiret agalari over there but the racism those people have been subjected. The racism that does not want to give and did not want to give any of basic human rights to those people..

And you still wonder why those kids are throwing stones?

And still  support  putting them into jail!!

And turn around and  criticise Israel because of its treatments of Palestinian kids but when some one points out we are doing to our KURDISH kids, "ah but they are supporting terrorist"

Yeah yeah.. 

 

I dont support the israels movement to the human help organizations... That was firstly.. and me myself cant say much about the situation more deeply, as i dont have much background about whats going on there...

 

But you cant defend me yourself, with comparing the situation in israel...the situation is indeed different, there is a kinda war over there... between two countries!!!!

 

How about Turkey? which rights? where you kill your engineer and doctor and teachers, how can you give them or teach them their rights?

And now you are throwing stone for supporting the people who are responsible for so many deaths... and to the people who are responsible for your security...

 

 

Asiret Agaları has a very big effect over those people, they were elected for years and they have done nothing to people who supported, but only put money into their pocket...

 

I have been those places, and i have met the people... so i know the reality, i saw the reality... i didnt just read or heard...

 

there pops up the difference between you and me

15.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 01:42 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 

 

I dont support the israels movement to the human help organizations... That was firstly.. and me myself cant say much about the situation more deeply, as i dont have much background about whats going on there...

 

But you cant defend me yourself, with comparing the situation in israel...the situation is indeed different, there is a kinda war over there... between two countries!!!!

 

How about Turkey? which rights? where you kill your engineer and doctor and teachers, how can you give them or teach them their rights?

And now you are throwing stone for supporting the people who are responsible for so many deaths... and to the people who are responsible for your security...

 

 

Asiret Agaları has a very big effect over those people, they were elected for years and they have done nothing to people who supported, but only put money into their pocket...

 

I have been those places, and i have met the people... so i know the reality, i saw the reality... i didnt just read or heard...

 

there pops up the difference between you and me

 

When Allies entered Germany end of the war, some German people said ´ah but we did not know´

You can not say the same thing in the future as the info is all around you!!

You dont want to see..

BUT Dont you ever read at all?

Dont you know how those people were treated in the first place?

Just yesterday in one of the papers it was talking about, 50 years ago, when the army took over, they forced some kurdish families to live in other cities and indeed, were planning to hang them as examples for the other Kurds!!!!

Where have  you been living?

Ah Israel is different is it? Over there there are two countries in awar. is it? 

when Israel shoots at palestinian kids who are throwing stones, we would condemn them but when our own Kurdish children throw stones we would put them in jail and think that it is normal. is it?   

And anybody reminding this to us, we would say " it is our internal problem, stop interfering"..yes?

 

And as far as asiret agalari is concerned, in fact, if our state did not support them, they could have been in  history so long ago.. But of course, as long as some of those support the state, no problem at  all..

btw. do you really know the number of dead, how many of them Turkish, how many of them kurdish ? and how many kurds gone missing?



Edited (5/28/2010) by thehandsom

16.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 02:00 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

When Allies entered Germany end of the war, some German people said ´ah but we did not know´

You can not say the same thing in the future as the info is all around you!!

You dont want to see..

BUT Dont you ever read at all?

Dont you know how those people were treated in the first place?

Just yesterday in one of the papers it was talking about, 50 years ago, when the army took over, they forced some kurdish families to live in other cities and indeed, were planning to hang them as examples for the other Kurds!!!!

Where have  you been living?

Ah Israel is different is it? Over there there are two countries in awar. is it? 

when Israel shoots at palestinian kids who are throwing stones, we would condemn them but when our own Kurdish children throw stones we would put them in jail and think that it is normal. is it?   

And anybody reminding this to us, we would say " it is our internal problem, stop interfering"..yes?

 

And as far as asiret agalari is concerned, in fact, if our state did not support them, they could have been in  history so long ago.. But of course, as long as some of those support the state, no problem at  all..

btw. do you really know the number of dead, how many of them Turkish, how many of them kurdish ? and how many kurds gone missing?

 

Kurdish people were always having their politician in the government 50 years ago... you have to ask these questions to them! not me i am afraid...

 

Shooting children and defining children who commited crime and arrest are two different things...

 

What will you gain with comparing how many kurds or turks dead? now it is racism what you are doing at start... kurds were killed more than turks itself... this is very ridicilous... the terrorism acted in those region and it is sad that the people over there have to face with fear and bad events all the time... I dont like whats going over there...

 

but you are mixing the conditions and situations... for all happened you cannot blame the government itself...

 

there is another saying "Cuvaldızı kendine, igneyi baskasına batır".. If you are fine with yourself.. then its ok.. Nothing more to argue...

 

I have my thoughts, you have yours... somehow we have to come to a common sense to solve the problems... 

17.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 02:15 pm

 

Quoting SuiGeneris

 

 

Kurdish people were always having their politician in the government 50 years ago... you have to ask these questions to them! not me i am afraid...

 

Shooting children and defining children who commited crime and arrest are two different things...

 

What will you gain with comparing how many kurds or turks dead? now it is racism what you are doing at start... kurds were killed more than turks itself... this is very ridicilous... the terrorism acted in those region and it is sad that the people over there have to face with fear and bad events all the time... I dont like whats going over there...

 

but you are mixing the conditions and situations... for all happened you cannot blame the government itself...

 

there is another saying "Cuvaldızı kendine, igneyi baskasına batır".. If you are fine with yourself.. then its ok.. Nothing more to argue...

 

I have my thoughts, you have yours... somehow we have to come to a common sense to solve the problems... 

 

You mean the Kurdish politicians who were unable to say they are Kurdish..

Do you have an idea how many kurdish party have been closed and how many of them were put in jail? 

Ah..in Israel they are shooting or breaking the kids´, who are throwing stones, arms or legs.. But you dont know,as usual,  the same thing has been happening   in your country..is it? 

But our own children are committing crime. and it  is a different thing. is it?

Well, if you put up the numbers, you will see how VOID your argument is or how ridiculous your argument will look. 

ah then , "I dont like what is going on there".. yes..wonderful. is it not?

If these things are still happening, they are happening  because of people who have been supporting government´s racist and wrong policies. Including putting kids into jail for stone throwing..

 

 

18.       janissaridis
148 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 03:00 pm

if the topic is about kurdish u all are talkative...u all are kurdish nationalist like armenians in 1900s.

 

forever DJ

19.       janissaridis
148 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 03:13 pm

Gay Dutch soldiers responsible for Srebrenica massacre says US general A former American general blamed "open homosexuality" in the Dutch army for the failure to prevent the Srebrenica massacre in 1995.

 

The Dutch government condemned the comments by Gen John Sheehan, a former Nato commander and senior marine officer, as outrageous. Gen Sheehan made the remarks at a Senate hearing where he argued against plans by President Barack Obama to end a ban on allowing gays to serve openly in the US military. Gen Sheehan said that after the end of the Cold War, European militaries changed and concluded "there was no longer a need for an active combat capability." He said this process included "open homosexuality" which resulted in "a focus on peacekeeping operations because they did not believe the Germans were going to attack again or the Soviets were coming back." "The case in point that I´m referring to is when the Dutch were required to defend Srebrenica against the Serbs," he said, referring to the UN peacekeeping force deployed to protect Bosnian Muslim civilians. "The battalion was understrength, poorly led, and the Serbs came into town, handcuffed the soldiers to the telephone poles, marched the Muslims off and executed them." Carl Levin, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, pressed him to clarify his comments. "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it (the fall of Srebrenica) was because there were gay soldiers there?" asked an incredulous Levin. "Yes," Sheehan said and added: "They included that as part of the problem." Gen Sheehan, who retired from the military in 1997, said he had been told that by the former chief of staff of the Dutch army. Mr Levin vehemently rejected Sheehan´s allegation, saying that drawing a connection between the massacre at Srebrenica and gays in the Dutch military was "totally off-target". The failure of the Dutch UN troops to fend off an attack by Bosnian Serb forces had "nothing to do with sexual orientation" but was related to "their training and the rules of engagement," Mr Levin said. The Dutch government angrily rejected the claim. "It is astonishing that a man of his stature can utter such complete nonsense," said Roger van de Wetering, the Dutch defence ministry spokesman. "I have never heard of a single statement by a Dutch political or military leader that drew a link between the fall of the enclave and the fact that there were Dutch homosexual soldiers." Nearly 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys were killed after Serb forces captured the eastern town on July 11 1995, in the worst massacre in Europe since World War II. Thursday´s hearing included testimony from both sides of the debate over the law known as "Don´t Ask, Don´t Tell," which requires gay service members to keep quiet about their sexual orientation or face expulsion from the military. Two former US officers who were discharged under the 1993 law appealed to lawmakers to repeal the ban, saying it was preventing qualified Americans from serving the country. Former air force officer Michael Almy said he had kept his homosexuality secret for years but was forced out after a commander ordered a search of his emails written to friends and family. "´Don´t ask, don´t tell´ failed me, despite the fact that I upheld my end of this law by never disclosing my private life," Almy said. He said he believed a younger generation in the military was ready to accept openly gay members in the armed forces. After his dismissal, when he asked former troops to write letters of reference for him, "it was a complete non-issue for my troops," Almy said. "The young men and women that are coming into the military today, fresh out of high school or college, have grown up with gay and lesbian characters on TV ... know gays and lesbians in their schools, in their communities, on their sports teams and most assuredly in their military."

 

 

 

forever DJXXX

20.       metehan2001
501 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 03:49 pm

Maybe, you can tell us a total solution to solve this problem, thehandsom. Can´t you?

Maybe, the solution is to part Turkey.

Maybe, if Turkish Government gives the South- Eastern part of Turkey to Kurdish people, the problem can be solved. What do you think?

The main aim of PKK and its supporters is to build an independent country in the mentioned area. They have been used and still using every way and mean to reach their aim. Attacking Turkish soldiers, government officers, local people -if they don´t support them-. They have politicians in and out the Turkish Parlament. They have medias. They have foreign supporters -governments and individuals-. They convince the people that they have freedom fighters, but it is not true. I am 50 years old man. I knew how Turkey was in my childhood. We used to be friends, Turkish and Kurdish children in our neighborhoods and schools. Our parents used to be good friends too. there were familiy visits with many occasions. We have never used to think the origin of our families in those times. You could have seen the Kurdish families in every city, in every town of the country -and still you can see them everwhere-. Then some ideolojical organizations, politicians started talking on "Kurdish Problem". In the beginning, themselves, the older Kurdish people protested and criticised those  freedom fighters (!!!) They were saying that they have no any problem with their Turkish neighbors and friends; therefore those Kurdish political sayings were nonsense.

The sensible Kurdish people were saying that Turkey is not a rich country and not only people living in South-Eastern part, but people in different regions of Turkey are also poor.

They were also saying that they could use their parental language everywhere except in government offices and it was normal that  every country had its own official language. 

 

But now, after many years of propagandizing the wrong ideas,  many young Kurds are believing that there is so much differences between Turks and Kurds. But I know the truth: The actual stuation is not the reality. It is something artificial, made up by some people who call themselves are "Kurd", but in fact they are enemies of Kurds and Turks. They are just ruining, destroying the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood. Many innocent children and youths believe in lies and follow the wrong ones. 

 

When we come to the foreigners position towards this question, we observe a very weird stuation: Either they feel themselves superior to us and start giving lectures or just criticize us. I know that some of them are misinformed and are not well aware of the real stuation in Turkey; but some of them are really aware of the truth and intentionally serving the terrorist organization PKK´s aim.

 

So, Mr. thehandsom, last week you started the column "Armenian Question", and now somekind of "Kurdish Question". Are you an innocent person, unaware of the real problems in Turkey, or  someone who is trying to serve of PKK´s horrible aim?

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