Quoting oeince

Yakışıklı hearing the realities made u nervous ha! Stay calm The do u really think that the leaders of PKK are the real leaders??? Ur kiddng me!

Ha ha

I m not kidding at all..and I really like your realities  

Can we have them with cream at the top?

I think we discussed about the importance of Diyarbakir before in tc

 http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_34039_3

in number 22 , I tried to tell what some people from that prison thinks about it..

That post includes some pkk leaders´ opinions as well..

Pkk leaders are telling how important diyarbakir prision has been to them. 

People who says that ´Diyarbakir prision was not that important´, do they really know something we dont know or they are merely trying to prove that ´nothing was done to anybody because they were kurdish´? 

I say it is just the reason that the nippers (PKK leaders) show to society.

You did not read fully..

There are some accounts from people who are not pkk leaders..

I thought PKK leaders´ accounts would be enough ...
In the end they have nothing to gain or lose from saying that..

But however for you accepting it as  a fact means ´we tortured them more because they were kurds´ would mean you were wrong all along about our Kurdish problem. You just believed the people who did not want to finish this war

They will lose the black money of gun and drug traffic.

Do you think they would say to their militans or syphatizans that they are insisting on terrorism for the money?

Do you think that they could say; "we just use you neither Turks, nor u are important to us"?

"All kids all soldiers u kill means more money to us" Do you think they can say that?

Do you think they can say "Yes, some intelligence services use us but whatever, we are fine with that. We could never have that power if we did not sell our souls to them"

Of course they will show themselves like heros. Do you think they are stupid?

If they want rights why dont they support the Kurdish openning?

If they dont do this for money how can you explain that the best cars of Turkey is being sold in Hakkari to a very little minority? The black money owners.

You are sleeping. And you think that your dreams are realities. I am sorry for you!

And i repeat one more time. I never supported the coup goverments acts. They did significant human rights violations to  Communists, Ulkuculer, Religious people, Alevis, Kurdish people etc. I condemn these all.

What happened in that era deepened the problem and made it more complex.

However the basis of the terrorism in Turkey is; intelligence services extraordinary plans in that geography. These services used Kurdish feudal leaders as nippers. The reward of these leaders are black money, respect and power.

I hope my Kurdish brothers and sisters also see that too. I hope that they get aware of that they have been used by them.

I hope Turkish goverment creates social policies which will let Kurdish people to trust their goverment again.

Please dont be sorry for me, please

As I said, you can NOT show any proof about intelligence services blah blah thing!! It is what 80s generals used to say and they made you believe..

I never said that pkk leaders are stupid or heros.. 

But who is against the Kurdish opening is a different matter.. Kurdish population wants and supports Kurdish opening. Who is against it? I am afraid, you go and check who ever says ´this is just a terrorism´ 

If yourself believe that Kurdish opening is a good thing you accept the fact that ´what we did in the past was not right and we have to give some basic rights to these people. then you are saying that it was NOT JUST TERRORISM´.

If the problem is not money and was not money at any stage, Turkey is a rich country, We could have bought all the leaders easily!!

Ah who is against the Kurdish opening in Turkey and why?

That will bring us the problem which some people say ´we have a Turkish problem´!!!!

unfortunately I am not sleeping I am having my chronic shoulder ache..

Proof?

Who divided Iraq into three? USA

Who is the leader of Northern Iraq? Barzani

Who is the president of Iraq? Talabani

Do you think these two are selected in order they are so democratic people or great leaders? No becouse they have been bought.

Do you really think the same think didnt happen in Turkey with the relatives of these two?

If your answer is no, there is no need to talk more.

what you are saying is no proof is it? What is it got to do with our almost 100 years old Kurdish problem?

Usa did not say to us ´deny basic rights to Kurds´, in fact if you go deeper, USA did not have anything to do with our Kurdish assimilation policies or Dersim massacres etc.

They were all our doings..

So can we say that  you are not going to come up with a credible proof  and not going to say anything apart from conspiracy theories??

You are not worth to talk!

Sorry to hear that

Please dont go, I was planning to bring the water melon to eat (in Turkey, sometimes, just before leaving a house you were a guest, the host would say ´ah dont go, we were about the bring the watermelon- daha karpuz kesecektik-)