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Kurdish children jailed in Turkey under anti-terror law
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30.       oeince
582 posts
 29 May 2010 Sat 08:59 pm

Did IRA ever use children for their terrorist sakes?

 

Did ETA use children as alive shield?

 

Can you see children amongst Flamanks or Valons protests?

 

What about in Transilvania? Have you ever seen Hungarian kids on the acts?

 

The list can be widened.

 

Using kids for ANY sakes is rascality.

 

However, Turkey as a social state, has to let these kids off and find a way to keep them away from terrorist acts.

 

31.       gezegen
269 posts
 29 May 2010 Sat 09:22 pm

" ´What did you suppose the war is?´ -this I would ask those who believe that those children are the enemy drived to the streets by militant Kurdish families and who try to put them on the right track, both resorting to the law and polishing national feelings. Those children, who throw stones at uniformed police/soldiers, are the results of the war. They are the war-children."

 

"Taş atan çocukların Kürt militan aileleri tarafından sokağa sürülen düşman gücü olduğuna inanan, onları kâh hukuka başvurarak, kâh milli hassasiyet cilalayarak halledebilmek için çalışan kafalara yegane sorum, “Siz savaşı ne zannediyordunuz?” olacaktır. Üniformalı taşlayan o çocuklar savaşın ürünleridir. Onlar savaş çocuklarıdır."

 

Yildirim Türker - 2nd January 2010

 

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32.       oeince
582 posts
 29 May 2010 Sat 10:00 pm

First of all there is no war in Turkey. There is just terrorism. Terrorists are not the gunned power of Kurdish people. Kurdish people are not enemies of Turkish goverment. The only enemy is terrorists. The terrorists, who does not abstain to use children for their bloody sakes. Provakers ideas can not be reference points.

 

Secondly, even if it was war it was forbidden to use children, elders and women in it. What kind of warrior can be hided back of the kids?

 

What someone does not understand is There is no problem between Kurdish people and Turkish people. There is just the struggle with terrorism. Whicever those terrorists nations are. Kurdish, Turkish, Armenian, Syrian, Israeli, Iraqi, İrani, Danish, French, German, American, Russian, Dutch, Belgian etc. etc.



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33.       gezegen
269 posts
 29 May 2010 Sat 10:08 pm

"Patriotic heroes, who shut their eye when millions of poor people were exiled to the suburs of the cities and to the streets - what were you expecting? Those children will throw those stones."

 

"Milyonlarca insan köylerinden sürülüp şehirlerin varoşlarına, sokaklarına aç biilaç döküldüklerinde görmezden gelen vatansever yiğitler, ne bekliyordunuz? O çocuklar, o taşları atacak."

 

Yildirim Türker - 2nd January 2010

 

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34.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 30 May 2010 Sun 01:44 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

They wont understand that.

They would rather prefer to talk about Palestinian children..  

 

The kids should not be punished, even if caught red handed throwing stones to security forces, other people´s homes and stores, or burning cars in the streets - at all.

 

Their idiotic and cowardly fathers - who push them on the streets into a stupid war - should be punished instead.

35.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 30 May 2010 Sun 01:44 am

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

As do we all.

 

Who exactly are you referring to here?  ´Show off´???  You think people ´pretend´ to care about children so they can ´show off´???   {#emotions_dlg.wtf}.  Are you sure this is what you meant?? 

 

 I refer to most of you.If you just chat in front of your computers and don´t take action;you are showing off. The worst part is you are kicking out people who took action like spritzer. You are typical orientalists who talk much as you know everything but do nothing. Yes I do nothing also but I don´t try to save the world with empty words.You can´t save anything or anybody with empty words and without action. You can take Rachel Corrie as an example. You should be either an activist or you shouldn´t talk too loudly.Because one day one can ask you what you did except talking  and you can be ashamed.


 



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36.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 30 May 2010 Sun 01:58 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 


 

 

 



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37.       scalpel
1472 posts
 30 May 2010 Sun 03:08 am

 

Quoting gezegen

 

 

They say, PKK was born, or in other words Turkey gave birth to PKK, in Diyarbakir prison -

 

 

 

Then what they say is false. It has no sociological perspective nor scientific depth of understanding. Things would be totally different in Turkey if there was no Diyarbakır Prison back to early in 80´s? Turkish Marxists were as much tortured as Kurdish Marxists in some other prisons, if you must know.

 

Even before 80´s military coup, it was a great debate among Kurdish Marxists whether the main contradiction was between imperialist Turks and oppressed Kurds, or between the central oligarchy and the oppressed peoples of both nations, and PKK was founded in 1978 by a group of Kurdish Marxists claiming that the main contradiction was rather based on ethnic differences than the class conflict.

 

 

38.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 30 May 2010 Sun 03:42 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

Then what they say is false. It has no sociological perspective nor scientific depth of understanding. Things would be totally different in Turkey if there was no Diyarbakır Prison back to early in 80´s? Turkish Marxists were as much tortured as Kurdish Marxists in some other prisons, if you must know.

 

 

 

Nothing gets birth in prison, i mean such internationally organised terrorism, its name was ASALA before. As we all know...

39.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 30 May 2010 Sun 04:01 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

The kids should not be punished, even if caught red handed throwing stones to security forces, other people´s homes and stores, or burning cars in the streets - at all.

 

Their idiotic and cowardly fathers - who push them on the streets into a stupid war - should be punished instead.

 

Agreed. I´ve no idea how it works in Turkey but in Poland a child under 12 cannot be held responsible for any crime s/he commits. Should a child break the law, her or his parents have to bear the consequences. A child under 12 is, unless the court decides otherwise, the parents´ responsibility. The moral spine and the ability to tell right from wrong  of such children is not strong enough to make the child legally punishable for their actions.

40.       vineyards
1954 posts
 30 May 2010 Sun 09:04 am

Yes teacher, I think you will require an attendance sheet too. We are sorry for being so thick headed. If we followed your footprints there would be no problems since there would be no country left.

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 I refer to most of you.If you just chat in front of your computers and don´t take action;you are showing off. The worst part is you are kicking out people who took action like spritzer. You are typical orientalists who talk much as you know everything but do nothing. Yes I do nothing also but I don´t try to save the world with empty words.You can´t save anything or anybody with empty words and without action. You can take Rachel Corrie as an example. You should be either an activist or you shouldn´t talk too loudly.Because one day one can ask you what you did except talking  and you can be ashamed.


 

 

 

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