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Kurdish children jailed in Turkey under anti-terror law
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20.       metehan2001
501 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 03:49 pm

Maybe, you can tell us a total solution to solve this problem, thehandsom. Can´t you?

Maybe, the solution is to part Turkey.

Maybe, if Turkish Government gives the South- Eastern part of Turkey to Kurdish people, the problem can be solved. What do you think?

The main aim of PKK and its supporters is to build an independent country in the mentioned area. They have been used and still using every way and mean to reach their aim. Attacking Turkish soldiers, government officers, local people -if they don´t support them-. They have politicians in and out the Turkish Parlament. They have medias. They have foreign supporters -governments and individuals-. They convince the people that they have freedom fighters, but it is not true. I am 50 years old man. I knew how Turkey was in my childhood. We used to be friends, Turkish and Kurdish children in our neighborhoods and schools. Our parents used to be good friends too. there were familiy visits with many occasions. We have never used to think the origin of our families in those times. You could have seen the Kurdish families in every city, in every town of the country -and still you can see them everwhere-. Then some ideolojical organizations, politicians started talking on "Kurdish Problem". In the beginning, themselves, the older Kurdish people protested and criticised those  freedom fighters (!!!) They were saying that they have no any problem with their Turkish neighbors and friends; therefore those Kurdish political sayings were nonsense.

The sensible Kurdish people were saying that Turkey is not a rich country and not only people living in South-Eastern part, but people in different regions of Turkey are also poor.

They were also saying that they could use their parental language everywhere except in government offices and it was normal that  every country had its own official language. 

 

But now, after many years of propagandizing the wrong ideas,  many young Kurds are believing that there is so much differences between Turks and Kurds. But I know the truth: The actual stuation is not the reality. It is something artificial, made up by some people who call themselves are "Kurd", but in fact they are enemies of Kurds and Turks. They are just ruining, destroying the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood. Many innocent children and youths believe in lies and follow the wrong ones. 

 

When we come to the foreigners position towards this question, we observe a very weird stuation: Either they feel themselves superior to us and start giving lectures or just criticize us. I know that some of them are misinformed and are not well aware of the real stuation in Turkey; but some of them are really aware of the truth and intentionally serving the terrorist organization PKK´s aim.

 

So, Mr. thehandsom, last week you started the column "Armenian Question", and now somekind of "Kurdish Question". Are you an innocent person, unaware of the real problems in Turkey, or  someone who is trying to serve of PKK´s horrible aim?

21.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 04:27 pm

 

Quoting metehan2001

Maybe, you can tell us a total solution to solve this problem, thehandsom. Can´t you?

Maybe, the solution is to part Turkey.

Maybe, if Turkish Government gives the South- Eastern part of Turkey to Kurdish people, the problem can be solved. What do you think?

The main aim of PKK and its supporters is to build an independent country in the mentioned area. They have been used and still using every way and mean to reach their aim. Attacking Turkish soldiers, government officers, local people -if they don´t support them-. They have politicians in and out the Turkish Parlament. They have medias. They have foreign supporters -governments and individuals-. They convince the people that they have freedom fighters, but it is not true. I am 50 years old man. I knew how Turkey was in my childhood. We used to be friends, Turkish and Kurdish children in our neighborhoods and schools. Our parents used to be good friends too. there were familiy visits with many occasions. We have never used to think the origin of our families in those times. You could have seen the Kurdish families in every city, in every town of the country -and still you can see them everwhere-. Then some ideolojical organizations, politicians started talking on "Kurdish Problem". In the beginning, themselves, the older Kurdish people protested and criticised those  freedom fighters (!!!) They were saying that they have no any problem with their Turkish neighbors and friends; therefore those Kurdish political sayings were nonsense.

The sensible Kurdish people were saying that Turkey is not a rich country and not only people living in South-Eastern part, but people in different regions of Turkey are also poor.

They were also saying that they could use their parental language everywhere except in government offices and it was normal that  every country had its own official language. 

 

But now, after many years of propagandizing the wrong ideas,  many young Kurds are believing that there is so much differences between Turks and Kurds. But I know the truth: The actual stuation is not the reality. It is something artificial, made up by some people who call themselves are "Kurd", but in fact they are enemies of Kurds and Turks. They are just ruining, destroying the Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood. Many innocent children and youths believe in lies and follow the wrong ones. 

 

When we come to the foreigners position towards this question, we observe a very weird stuation: Either they feel themselves superior to us and start giving lectures or just criticize us. I know that some of them are misinformed and are not well aware of the real stuation in Turkey; but some of them are really aware of the truth and intentionally serving the terrorist organization PKK´s aim.

 

So, Mr. thehandsom, last week you started the column "Armenian Question", and now somekind of "Kurdish Question". Are you an innocent person, unaware of the real problems in Turkey, or  someone who is trying to serve of PKK´s horrible aim?

 

Well..

Of course there is not going to be an easy solution.. But I think you misunderstood the problem in the first place.. Even just now..almost all Kurdish politicians including Apo, are saying that they dont want independence.. 

My worry is that coming into a stage it will be "too little too late"

Look, dont look at me for an answer..The answer is in your post itself.. You are saying that "They were also saying that they could use their parental language everywhere except in government offices and it was normal that  every country had its own official language. "

Ask yourself what happened in 1980s.. Read how our generals banned their language!! Read how we changed their village names..

I am going to ask the same question: 

Where have you been living all those years? why did you not come up and say ´Their parental language is their rights´..Why did you not come up and say ´there are Kurds in this country´ when our generals said ´there are no such a thing called kurds..They are mountain Turks´?

Why?

Now after years of fighting, we have accepted there is a people in there and called Kurds..

Could you come up and say that years ago?

Of course not.. They would put you in jail too..

You were too busy believing in what the generals were telling you..

And you were believing that it was all part of conspiracy..

 

Anyway..

I think, you should read, we should all read..As I said, there are plenty of material out there and ´ah I did not know´ is not an excuse anymore..

 

As far as the Armenian question columns are concerned, I think i HAVE explained "why it is necessary to talk about those taboo subjects"..

Basically, as Vineyard also mentioned  "we dont know anything about the subject since we were not taught  in schools", it is good that we talk about it.. and try to learn a few things along the way.. 

 

 



Edited (5/28/2010) by thehandsom

22.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 05:00 pm

Nobody has mentioned the fact of how disgusting it is that the PKK uses children in this way.  I think most of the blame needs to rest on them.  As for the Turkish government, this would be a great opportunity to show mercy and tolerance....especially to a child.  THAT lesson would carry through life a lot longer than a prison sentence.  The Turkish government is cultivating more hate upon itself.  Bravo!

 

Both sides have sunk to the level of using children to make a point.  I find the entire issue an offense against all things human. 



Edited (5/28/2010) by Elisabeth

23.       Trudy
7887 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 06:01 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

Nobody has mentioned the fact of how disgusting it is that the PKK uses children in this way.  I think most of the blame needs to rest on them.  As for the Turkish government, this would be a great opportunity to show mercy and tolerance....especially to a child.  THAT lesson would carry through life a lot longer than a prison sentence.  The Turkish government is cultivating more hate upon itself.  Bravo!

 

Both sides have sunk to the level of using children to make a point.  I find the entire issue an offense against all things human. 

 

+100000

24.       gezegen
269 posts
 28 May 2010 Fri 06:16 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

The Turkish government is cultivating more hate upon itself.  Bravo!

 

Quite objective and well-said word! They say, PKK was born, or in other words Turkey gave birth to PKK, in Diyarbakir prison - perhaps, the only partner of Saigon in the world, for which the word "torture" simply and ridiculously sucks! Everyone, who tends and likes to sermon about how PKK is an terrorist organisation, must think about and understand what has happened there in the early 80s. And those children, who are today put in jails, are the militants of tomorrow. Nobody have a doubt about this!

 

Quoting Elisabeth

I find the entire issue an offense against all things human.

 

I didn´t know you make sometimes such a striking statements. Impressed! Smile



Edited (5/28/2010) by gezegen
Edited (5/28/2010) by gezegen

25.       scalpel
1472 posts
 29 May 2010 Sat 02:03 am

 

Quoting Elisabeth

Nobody has mentioned the fact of how disgusting it is that the PKK uses children in this way.  I think most of the blame needs to rest on them... 

 

Because the hatred makes some exact people here blind to everything.

 

It is a disgusting tactic that they use their own children in such dangerous demonstrations  just because to put the government in a difficult position.

 

Who is more guilty: the families or the government?    

26.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 29 May 2010 Sat 03:30 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

Because the hatred makes some exact people here blind to everything.

 

It is a disgusting tactic that they use their own children in such dangerous demonstrations  just because to put the government in a difficult position.

 

Who is more guilty: the families or the government?

 

 I condemn all who make these children a part of their political agenda and all who take vengeance on them. And I especially condemn all who want to show off as if they are so much caring for these children.



Edited (5/29/2010) by gokuyum
Edited (5/29/2010) by gokuyum
Edited (5/29/2010) by gokuyum

27.       lady in red
6947 posts
 29 May 2010 Sat 06:17 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 I condemn all who make these children a part of their political agenda and all who take vengeance on them. And I especially condemn all who want to show off as if they are so much caring for these children.

 

As do we all.

 

Who exactly are you referring to here?  ´Show off´???  You think people ´pretend´ to care about children so they can ´show off´???   {#emotions_dlg.wtf}.  Are you sure this is what you meant?? 

28.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 29 May 2010 Sat 06:42 pm

Israel, Palestine, Kurds, Turkey, bla bla bla!

 

The problem is that kids are being robbed of their childhood. Firstly by growing up in deprived areas, secondly by being thrown into jail. If a 15 year old is sentenced for 5 years or more, that 15 year old will not go to a magical place, where people were hugh her and love her, and teach her "the right ways" She goes to jail... the not so nice jail... the jail where criminals are...yes, the REAL jail. And she will learn to follow their rules, to survive. The only way to survive is to become hard. If she ever leaves that hell, she will hate the Turkish state more then ever, and be more likely to go live in some mountain cave somewhere, and learn to shoot soldiers, instead of shouting at them.

29.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 29 May 2010 Sat 07:26 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Israel, Palestine, Kurds, Turkey, bla bla bla!

 

The problem is that kids are being robbed of their childhood. Firstly by growing up in deprived areas, secondly by being thrown into jail. If a 15 year old is sentenced for 5 years or more, that 15 year old will not go to a magical place, where people were hugh her and love her, and teach her "the right ways" She goes to jail... the not so nice jail... the jail where criminals are...yes, the REAL jail. And she will learn to follow their rules, to survive. The only way to survive is to become hard. If she ever leaves that hell, she will hate the Turkish state more then ever, and be more likely to go live in some mountain cave somewhere, and learn to shoot soldiers, instead of shouting at them.

 

When you are making a comment, you have to consider the conditions more. You cannot comment up with the utopic ideas and assumptions.

 

What if those kids stone would hit an officers head, he would be dead all over there.. with leaving his family behind?

 

They will not put him to the jail, where adults are... He or she will be put, where they will be together with his or her age...

 

But there starts the governmnets duty, to supply with good conditions to those kids... they have to open up classes and workshops in order to let them be updated with the daily life... Because it is bare that, those kids are brainwashed by the provokers...

 

The world is not that naive as you are thinking...

 

30.       oeince
582 posts
 29 May 2010 Sat 08:59 pm

Did IRA ever use children for their terrorist sakes?

 

Did ETA use children as alive shield?

 

Can you see children amongst Flamanks or Valons protests?

 

What about in Transilvania? Have you ever seen Hungarian kids on the acts?

 

The list can be widened.

 

Using kids for ANY sakes is rascality.

 

However, Turkey as a social state, has to let these kids off and find a way to keep them away from terrorist acts.

 

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