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200.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 08 Oct 2010 Fri 10:38 pm

What different rights and responsibilities do you mean? I thought we all have the same rights and responsibilities, regardless of gender

201.       oeince
582 posts
 08 Oct 2010 Fri 11:03 pm

Quote: Daydreamer

Like I said, I´d blame poverty, religion and lack of education.

 

I am not for the religion section. But Of course poverty and education are very important lacks about that situation.

However, if we question the reasons of poverty and less education, i find out the feudal structure as the source of those.

Feudal structure couses obedience culture. If ones feudal leader supports forced marriages she can´t resist that. Just like he cant  resist if the leader supports terrorism. Obedience creates a kind of "cumpalsory volunteering"

You are right, the biggest responsibility is on the shoulders of govermnet to solve social matters. Also, the municipalities and the parlamentarians of the region are responsible to help the goverment when considering the unique ethnical structure of that region.

I think the goverment and mayors and parlamentarins of BDP supposed to cooperate to solve that real and burning problem.

Nevertheless, i am afraid  it is dreaminess to expect good faith from the people, who can even boycott education.



Edited (10/8/2010) by oeince

202.       alameda
3499 posts
 08 Oct 2010 Fri 11:58 pm

 This is one of the issues I have had a hard time on here....it seems "Western" women don´t see the differences between males and females. It is no question regarding equality, but rather differences in endowments, and a recognition of those. The difference between XX and XY.....there is a difference you know?

Please don´t ask me to have to enumerate those differences, I don´t have the time, and a search on the term gender differences should be rewarding.

Quoting Daydreamer

What different rights and responsibilities do you mean? I thought we all have the same rights and responsibilities, regardless of gender

 

 

203.       alameda
3499 posts
 09 Oct 2010 Sat 12:07 am

Not only that, but there are hardly any Muslimah voices here....When they have spoken they have been belittled and demeaned told they are oppressed, stupid or just misinformed....I miss dear Canli, Elham, Azade...to name a few. They tried so hard but left hurt and frustrated. It is a fact the loudest voices here are "liberated" Western women who seem to feel they are the experts on what constitutes proper femininity.

Quoting oeince

Quote: lemon

Im on this site since 2006 and I havent seen many Turkish female members here. As if they got no voice.

 

Isn´t it? Just like non Turkish males

 

 

204.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 09 Oct 2010 Sat 12:20 am

 

Quoting alameda

 This is one of the issues I have had a hard time on here....it seems "Western" women don´t see the differences between males and females. It is no question regarding equality, but rather differences in endowments, and a recognition of those. The difference between XX and XY.....there is a difference you know?

Please don´t ask me to have to enumerate those differences, I don´t have the time, and a search on the term gender differences should be rewarding.

 

 

 

Oh obviously there are biological differences. Anyone who went to primary school or has seen a naked man and woman knows this. I just find it hard to see them as justification of differents rights or responsibilities (apart of course from the right to bear children or the obligation to wear a bra on the beach). Apart from biology (that isn´t actually ruled by gender), men and women should have the same right and responsibilities. Unless, you meant biological differences only.

Oh, and I do miss Canli as well. I liked her a lot. Did not agree with her on religious matters but really liked her.

 

205.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 09 Oct 2010 Sat 01:29 am

 

Quoting oeince

Quote: Daydreamer

Like I said, I´d blame poverty, religion and lack of education.

 

I am not for the religion section. But Of course poverty and education are very important lacks about that situation.

However, if we question the reasons of poverty and less education, i find out the feudal structure as the source of those.

Feudal structure couses obedience culture. If ones feudal leader supports forced marriages she can´t resist that. Just like he cant  resist if the leader supports terrorism. Obedience creates a kind of "cumpalsory volunteering"

You are right, the biggest responsibility is on the shoulders of govermnet to solve social matters. Also, the municipalities and the parlamentarians of the region are responsible to help the goverment when considering the unique ethnical structure of that region.

I think the goverment and mayors and parlamentarins of BDP supposed to cooperate to solve that real and burning problem.

Nevertheless, i am afraid  it is dreaminess to expect good faith from the people, who can even boycott education.

Assuming a feudal structure leads to arranged, or sometimes forced marriages, only because the feudal lords are total idiots or that they are plain sadists is an oversimplification.

Main motive here is to keep family land within the family.

 

I heard that same attidude used to be valid among Brits too;  ie. first son inherited all of the land, the second son was educated to become a politician or a soldier, the third one had to go to India to look for his fortune.

 

 

206.       alameda
3499 posts
 09 Oct 2010 Sat 01:48 am

From reading Yaşar Kemal, it seems Eastern Anatolia is very difficult and inhospitable area. Is that correct, and wouldn´t that be an issue as well? It seems getting around, managing resources and all would contribute to a general isolation and poverty. We see similar issues in other places, like the Ozarks in the US, the mountainous areas of Mexico.

Quoting AlphaF

 

Assuming a feudal structure leads to arranged, or sometimes forced marriages, only because the feudal lords are total idiots or that they are plain sadists is an oversimplification.

Main motive here is to keep family land within the family.

 

I heard that same attidude used to be valid among Brits too;  ie. first son inherited all of the land, the second son was educated to become a politician or a soldier, the third one had to go to India to look for his fortune.

 

 

 

 



Edited (10/9/2010) by alameda [sp]

207.       oeince
582 posts
 09 Oct 2010 Sat 01:59 am

Actually we are on the same idea Alpha, i just simplified it. My further posts about that topic was going to be about land reform. I didn´t say in my first post because it would be hard to explain the correlation between forced marriages and the land to someone who doesn´t know the situation in the south east. 

I didn´t want to risk that thread, by recieving nonsense answers.

 



Edited (10/9/2010) by oeince

208.       lemon
1374 posts
 09 Oct 2010 Sat 04:51 am

 

Quoting alameda

Not only that, but there are hardly any Muslimah voices here....When they have spoken they have been belittled and demeaned told they are oppressed, stupid or just misinformed....I miss dear Canli, Elham, Azade...to name a few. They tried so hard but left hurt and frustrated. It is a fact the loudest voices here are "liberated" Western women who seem to feel they are the experts on what constitutes proper femininity.

 

Again singing your old songs. Victims of cruel feminism. Canli, Elham and Azade are wonderful souls, almost angels and us are heartless ...

They left because of us. We are to be blame as usual. You are bydand´s twin sister, honestly.

If you join the discussion then you should expect many things and ready to cope with.

I had debates with all muslimah voices on this site and yes, many times I was hursh to them because our opinions were 180 degrees oppposite.

My call was on Turkish ladies not muslimahs in general (or wannabees).

 

209.       stumpy
638 posts
 09 Oct 2010 Sat 05:50 am

Quote:alameda

It is a fact the loudest voices here are "liberated" Western women who seem to feel they are the experts on what constitutes proper femininity.

 

Please alameda, enlighten us about what a proper feminin woman is!

210.       alameda
3499 posts
 09 Oct 2010 Sat 08:06 am

 I wish I knew, and if I did, I wish I were able to articulate in an easily understandable manner, but I don´t and can´t. However, the caricature represented in some of today´s cultures doesn´t seem to be it either.

Differences are more than just physical. Each, male and female, have unique strengths, maybe an exploration of those would be a good idea?

What do you think Stumpy? Have you given it much thought, or done much research?

Quoting stumpy

 

 Please alameda, enlighten us about what a proper feminin woman is!

 

 



Edited (10/9/2010) by alameda [,]

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