Well, I believe you deserve to be declared a saint for all the good things you have done. Luckily, we have a Catholic School graduate with us. Maybe we can ask his view as to how eligible he thinks you are for the honor.

I dont think you should try to change the subject Vineyards..

If I started corresponding  with you like you did out of blue like:

Vineyards, "people with little brains talk about other people. Because somehow, you keep talking about me and  therefore you have little brains" you would have been crying out loud here..

So next time, control yourself a bit more..ok?

I knew you would come to this verdict. Now you can sleep with peace of mind. The circle is complete. 

It is interesting though you identify yourself with the person who always talks about other people. You might go for the other two options as well. How did you know what option applied to you?

Now, you are playing the sore loser..

Anyway, I am out of here..

FYI I am a SHE and my "upbringing" taught me tolerance, patience and acceptance.  It also taught me that everyone is intittle to their opinions and that I am in no way in a position to judge another.  I may not agree with what thehandsom thinks or says or with what others say or do but I try not to insult the person when I do not agree whith what he or she thinks.

Now for thehandsom to becom a saint it may take decades and cardinals will have to evaluate his life then he must be worshiped and have done a postumous miracle.  For thehandsom will have to perfome a second miracle postumously but if he dies for his religious beleifs he can then forgo the previouse steps and ascend strainght into sainthood.

So unless someone on this site want to end his life for his beleifs then it will take decades before he is a saint.

Anymore questions for the "Catholic School Graduate"?

by the way thehandsom(and many others) must be a saint sometime to put up with the attacks received from certain people on the site(that is my personal though on the situation)

Sorry for the mistake about the gender. I had not checked your profile. I was busy picturing him with a halo over his head.

That´s enough mud slinging for one thread.  I would hate to have to lock it because I think that the issue in the original post deserves our attention and respectful discussion.  

Thank you si++ for taking the time to post.  I apologize if it got off track.  

My fellow classmates, these women lives deserve a little more respect.  Your petty differences pale in comparison to what these women go through everyday.  Lets try to be a little bit more constructive.

 Is there any way we can help these women? Nothing will happen about just talking about it...Do these women want our help? Is this part of the modern Turkish culture?

Me too, me too! We hated it. I regret I didnt want it. All I remember was "tabula raza" My teacher (an old professor) would shout at us you all are "tabula rasa".

The question is good but useless. The change will always take its victims. Nobody can help these girls/women. Neither gov nor laws. Remember this is happening in a (often proudly stated) secular country.

Lets ask Turkish users (Oeince, Vineyards, S--, The H, Armegon, Scalpel, Alpha aksakal). So far, none of them came up with any solution (point by point, black on white). This is their country, they live there with those girls side by side. The country is theirs, its all up to them. They know and understand the whole issue.

We, outsiders can endlessly talk and dispute, but thats all we can do. The only contribution of ours is our opinions. We tell these men what we think. They surely take our inputs into their dear consideration.

Thank you.

Oeince,

Do not exaggerate. Nobody insulted Alameda. She was merely provoked. However, Alameda being provoked did swear at people she was discussing with. An apology is needed.