Well, i believe it would have been a good tool for the West to make more pressure on China, they would have used everything, even asked the Pop to go there and demand mercy !

Threaten to Recognized and support their independence ! 

But now...

China is playing same game the West playing it, so NONE dare to say anything about it and to the HELL with muslims there !

 OK D_K, i will try to explain more.

Our society years ago till 1919 women were wearing things called Yaþmak...Ýts not Hijab, and not Burka, its smoething put on the face but actually doesnt hide it..it was worn at Osmanlý time

Came 1919 and it was revolution on 2 scales, politicaly wise, and women wise

Ýt was our whole nation against the British and it was the first time girls at the schools and women join, so women joint side by side with men and been killed also same like men

Since that time women took off yaþmak, and they didnt wear hijab and they wore like Westerns, hair styles, mini skirts..tight clothes..etc

That happened at cities, in country side they were more conservative.

At a time they didnt even know that hijab is an order from ALLAH, actually at cities people didnt know even they should pray, only elders knew it and they didnt teach it to youngers...what they really did was fasting at Ramazan, all kept that very much along of course with Salat...Ramazan was and still a festival on all counts!

Anyway, by time and due to wars, and many people started to read and know more about religion, after we sent our teachers to gulf and they saw women there wearing hijab, they started to search and bit by bit hijab started to get into our society

So actually you would see the daughter was wearing hijab but not the mother !

Or grandmothers putting scarf on their hair but not hijab, meaning not actually covering the hair, but they said our mothers at the good times were wearing like that...that is what haným wear when she goes out but without wearing long dresses or long sleeves

By the time daughters told the mothers that it is an order from ALLAH and not a tradition, taught the mothers, and now you see many women wearing it.

So actually in our society you dont wear hijab to feel safe...we had/have various code of clothes, and you can pick

So the point, wearing hijab or not wearing hijab are treated same here...because almost all families were having a mother or a sister or a relative not wearing it, beside there are many girls who dont wear it still.

You would listen to an expression called ´When im convinced!´ in my society it doesnt mean when im convinced that it is an order from ALLAH then i will wear, but it means, when im convinced that i will be capable of wearing it i will..and yes they know it is an order from ALLAH too...i was one of them  !

So you see, you dont just have 2 cases of societies...but that is another case too.

A society where women have the chance to choose to wear or not to wear and they already took it off in the past and wear it recently

So i would feel more comfortable here actually, i would wear or not wear and at both cases men will look at me same because they know its my choice !

And i dont deny there are societies where its forced on them one way or another.

 OK, i believe i kind of got it !

But what if you dont go to the priest at all, you dont confess, and you ask the Lord for forgivness, and you do your prayers also if you have sined...would that work ?

Ý mean just between you and god without any link in between

You already have the bible and the rules and you would know if you make a sin.

Or you still need the priest  ?

  No, its not same

Ýmams explain things, clear some rules, but thats it

Forgivness, and Heaven or Hell something only ALLAH decide no one else can.

And you should know we dont even have confession or anything like that in Ýslam !

mujtehim ? i think its not correct and i fail to think of something close to that word...but i undersrood you meant imams.

 But teas, you mean all priests are like messenger/helper of the lord , holy then ?!

But dont they study to be priests, how do they become holy and you appoint them not the Lord?

For something to be holy or messenger shouldnt God send or appoint not human ?!

And why would the Lord need any help to start with as long as HE already sent you his message ´the bible i mean´  ?

All you have to do is to apply it, and all forgiveness and other stuff should be the Lord business only, no ?

Ý understand they dont force you to donate, but if you already donate to the Church, and priest has the power of forgiveness, so forgive me for asking, but what would say he doesnt give forgiveness to anyone he likes no matter if he repent or not as long as he pay well ?!

 And how would the priest know if they were truly repent or not ?!

And what is the power of the priests over people ?

Ýsnt only God have that power ?!

And if they have power, and you pay donations even by your will, wouldnt it sound...mmmm well fishy ?!

Well, at least he didnt die at the courtroom while judge and policeman watching and even shot the one who was helping as it happened to Marwa at the German courtroom!

But of course its a horrible crim and may God rest his soul !

To believe that Ýmams can give us places at Heaven ?

NO.

But in some areas where people are not educated ´ignorant´ they believe if good imam make dua for them, ALLAH will accept it from him rather from them , but that is as far as imams can get, but giving places ? Naaahhhh

They knew its between ALLAH hand only no one else.

What is the cheque that Christians pay for Church every month ?!

Ý remember we had a discussion here long time ago about the Pop and Keith said if that so, i wont paying my monthly cheque anymore...something like that.

Any idea if tonight is Ýsrâ, gece yürüyüþü or not ?