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08 Mar 2008 Sat 05:46 pm |
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sura 5:33 clearly indicates that :
The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed OR crucified, OR have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, OR will be expelled out of the land.
And rest of it,
''that tho they be shamless in earth,and face great punishment in other life''
Rest of the ayat ,
5:34
''Except those who regret it before you condemn them,so know that ALLAH is forgiving and merciful''
So,actually ALLAH gave 4 choices for the ruler to condemn such people,and last one is forgivness if they regret it
Enemies for ALLAH and his messenger means not just enemy of religion,they are the enemies of country ,such as traitor
Those people harm the country,the people also
And i guess on the time when you were establishing your secular republic back in 30th of the 19th you were punishing the enemies of republic by worse than this
Even till now,no one allowed to SPEAK against it or else will be threatened to prison
So,i believe yes,i aprove of what ALLAH said,at least much more merciful !
As for
sura 5:38
As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
5:39
''Who regret it after his unjustice 'his stealing'and fixed it,so ALLAH forgive him,that ALLAH forgiving and merciful''
So,it actually says,those who steal,they will be punished of cutting of their hands,unless if the regret it,and give back what they have stolen,so they will be forgiven and ALLAH will forgive them also and their hands wont be chopped.
So,i believe,i agree with that too,even we dont apply it also in my country
You see,by such punishment,there wont be men on the street walking arround with knifes to steal from people..
Because they will be afraid if they are cought,their hand will be chopped
They wont be going to prison for few monthes or few years and then come out,hating the society more and more for taking away their freedom and back to stealing and drugs and what so ever,because also society wont accept them,even they really became good people
Once they have been to jail...then its over...they are condemned by it .
What im talking about is a reality happening in every country,and mine also...
We also have stealing rate,killing rate ..ect
But even that i dont agree with their ways in everything,but must stat that at Saudi Arabia,they dont have this,and also they dont have people's having their hands chopped everyday
The stealing rate there is minor.
So whether i like it or not,those are facts happening in our countries and in their country.
As for this,
Quoting thehandsom:
About Islam and critising Islam.
personally, I am not trying to teach anything to anybody.
I am in this discussion because of my country, my country's women, my (female) friends , my sister/mother etc..And of course for political correctness.
I am in it because, I believe, it is a huge obsticle for my country and waste of time and resources.. |
Actually İslam in not a religion made just for your country,so you can take it to the tailor and adjust it the way it suits you.
İts a religion with set rules,you cannt change its rules as you like,
Surely you can follow them or not,its your own choice
But,you want to change its rules,so its suite you the way you like,so whatever you do,you feel you are following its rules ?!
Have you ever heared of any religion doing this ?
Maybe what suite you,wont suite me,or wont suite others,or what suits me wont suits you
For example,in my opinion at divorce the only one who take care of the childern these days are women,so,it would be more suitable to adjust divorce rules and to give mothers the right to bring up children uless they express their desire to give it to the father.
and mean while to oblige the father to pay 2/3 of his income to her as support to the children 'you know schools,UNİ and so,needs lots of money'' and to increase it with a suitabe percentage every year to face the economic Inflation till they reach the age of 21
This would be applicable,and fair to me,is it to you ?!
so would everyone make his own version of the religion and call it also İslam and follow it ?!!!
You know drinking alcohol is forbidden in İslam,but still many men in your country drink rakı,yes ?
You didnt change Qur'an verses to do this,did you ?!
And alos Que'an verses didnt stop you from making your own choice in drinking it,did it ?!
So why not your sister,your mother,your country's women, your (female) friends dont do this also,and take what they want from İslam,follow it and dont follow what it doesnt suit them ?!
Why dont them has the right to choose what to do as you 'men' did ?
İt would be their personal choice and they bear its burden,but STİLL their choice as it was yours.
But you want to change İslam so,what ever you do,or choose will be in the category of following İslam rules ?!
Being a bleiever is not easy handsom,not just in İslam,but in any religion,it come with a price,and that price is to FOLLOW that religion rules,then you can be a believer.
Or simply just pick another one that suits you more,or have your own believes,but you cant call them İslam,or Christianity which they are not.
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hee hee lol 
