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Thread: The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices

2161.       CANLI
5084 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 02:03 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting CANLI:

Dear cat,reading your post made me think ...
What did the west do actually for us and you see its enough ?!


what did the west do for you.... when you're a muslim in the UK, for example, those idiots are even considering whether they should introduce sharia for you guys! what's the response of muslims? more hatred of the west!
how are you treated if you're a non-muslim in a muslim country? hatred. (for example: in saudi arabia, the true islamic state, preaching christianity is punishable by death! hahah)
do you need more examples?


Actually,yes,i do

UK,doesnt consider this,it was merely a suggestion from The Archbishop of Canterbury
And his assistances rushed and explained,he didnt mean it this way
Maybe the man,as a religious man felt that Muslims in Uk cant practice their believes in a appropriate way and from respecting to freedom of people to practice their believes ''and you know to such a religous man that is important'' he came out with that suggestion ?!
Maybe,i dont know !
You been to the UK and you saw that Muslims there hate West ?
That wanst what i understood from AEnigma's posts in many occasions
Surely there are the goods and bads...ama are all bads ?!!!

Secondly,have you been to a Muslim country,and have you been treated with hate ?!

İ wont argue AGAİN,about Saudi Arabia and whether its is the true islamic state or not
But have you been to Saudi Arabia ?
Do you know how non-Muslims live there ?!
Like kings and queens !

And about preaching christianity ,you said when you be in a country you respect its law...
And that is İTS law...preach it where its allowed for you to do.

When British were living here in my country,we used to have law,courts only for foreigners other than ours.
So it actually happed in our country for YOUR favore!

And even now,Foreigners are well treated,there are churches,many too from all Christians branches ''they are many you know''
There are jewish temples.
We have one law...but there are one for Christians,and another one for Muslims in some certain things.

So yes,please,tell me more
What have the West done to us since we actually gained our freedom and tried to live together?!



Thread: The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices

2162.       CANLI
5084 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:19 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting peace train:

Such a minor issue for the non muslim and such a good opportunity to show empathy and gain trust. There are much worse things to worry about in this world.


We show empathy enough. Time for them to show some. Enough of demands!


Dear cat,reading your post made me think ...
What did the west do actually for us and you see its enough ?!



Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

2163.       CANLI
5084 posts
 08 Mar 2008 Sat 01:15 am

Quoting christine:

Quoting adonis:

I wanna give a surah from Quran for not-believers and the people who always have prejudices about Islam and insult it.



I am a none believer, but i respect all people and their believes. I don't preach to anyone, so please don't preach to me.



But dont you see,You do ...
You actually doing it
You are trying to show us how to be good Muslims
And how to apply OUR religion in an acceptable way...
Review all the posts about İslam,and you will see that
You are Reteaching us OUR religion

Ps:for the note ''You'' is generally speaking



Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

2164.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 09:04 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Canlı, where did you get the idea that I am christian?



Actually,i didnt,i was talking generally,not personally,and when i addressed you personally,i used ''your holly book'' because i didnt know which is yours

Quoting CANLI:

he should offer same to your holly book too



İf you have one or not ,either way you surely deserve people to respect your choice of believing .

Quoting Deli_kizin:



2. My question to Canlı was genuine. It was not emotionless, but I never meant it provocative, so I hope that Canlı will read this too. I just wanted to know how she felt about it and maybe she could tell me some reasons for rejection that I havent thought about.

DK



Much clearer now



Thread: The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices

2165.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 01:20 pm

You just dont get it,the problem is not the lack of liberal muslims
There are many,but not heared.

There are many wrong things in the way West approaching muslims and İslam,
They use ways,or let me say wordings are not,and will NOT be accepted by any muslim.

Reforming İslam,changing verses of Qur'an...NONSENSE

There are verses is the bible that that least we can say is cruel
And they havent been changed...!

My point is...dig in İslam,dig in Quran itself,and get it by proves, that you can be liberal and also you can be a good Muslim
İ dont say to twist the meaning of the verses,nope,but to have wide understanding for them by what we are living today.
This actually happing too,many İmams qualified and reliable İmams is doing this
İmams that people can trust their knowledge of İslam.

ALLAH told us,HE brought this Qur'an for us to be suitable for all times,
And that is Qur'an miracle.

So yes,it indicate things happened in the past,events,problems and how to solve it in the past's circumstances
We can take the rule,and apply it in today circumstances and understanding...
İ dont say to change the rules 'haşa ALLAH' but to apply them within the spirit on the time we are living in.
Not standing where they were hundreds of years ago.

For example,many,many years ago,after Rasul SAV died by mmm 10 yrs maybe,there was a great,GREAT ruler,who was all Muslims ruler at that time
That man ,Ömer RA was one of Mohamed SAV friends who was always arround him and learing from him,whom Rasul ALLAH said about him ''Holly spirit would be sending verses from his tongue''indicating that what he says is right,and very much acceptable from ALLAH
Anyway,you know that there is rule in İslam to cut the hand of the one who steal
İn that time,Muslims were living in great poverty,they even couldnt find food to eat
So,he cancelled this penalty on those days
So İslam was and is open to flexibility
There was no,and will be NO imam like Ömer RA,and he had done this many many years ago.

There are İmamlar who is doing this today also,they dont leave İslam rules and showing people how to live with them also within the current time circumstances
Those imamlar should be heared and have louder voices.

But talking about reforming İslam ?!
FORGET İT !



Thread: Defend Bülent Ersoy

2166.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 12:12 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

if we're on war nobody can be against it...hmm...no..sorry, I was wrong. It can't be compared



Actually we can compare also,
When germany were invading Europe,such voice wasnt appreciated was it ?

İ think when ones country is in a war to defend itself and its bordereds,so who speak against it,and not supporting it would be even traitor !

But when ones country is İNVADİNG other countries,and sending its youth to death for that,so i guess we can stand against it without having that sense of betraying.
Because somehow its the other way arround,the country or lets say the government is batraying its people and sending them to death where it should be making their lives more easier



Thread: Defend Bülent Ersoy

2167.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 11:59 am

İ know its off the topic,but some how it is also in the topic,
Some way,i think war,or many of the wars are made because of men's arrogance ''No offence guys''
So,if women were in charge do you think it would be same,or things would be different ?
Would we have more peace than this hell wars we are having every where for no reasons ?
Or also greed would be a motivation ?!



Thread: Defend Bülent Ersoy

2168.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 11:51 am

Quoting catwoman:


only stupid people have to fight for peace, smart people can achieve it without bloodshed.



theoretically,i agree
realistically,name one !

Even developed countries,which are rich and modern ,have all the facilities that can be imagined and whom you think we suppose to be similar to them,learn from them and be like them so we can be liberal,developed,and modern,they fight also,but not even for peace!

So i guess there is no such smart people after all,is there ?!



Thread: Takva: A Man’s Fear of God is a film

2169.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 11:32 am

Thank You portokal



Thread: Takva: A Man’s Fear of God is a film

2170.       CANLI
5084 posts
 07 Mar 2008 Fri 11:31 am

Quoting peace train:

Takva or Takwa . . . . God Consciousness ?


Takva ...Turkish
Takwa ...Arabic
Same meaning,only in Turkish they dont pronounce W and replace it wit V
İ guess you can say God Consciousness in whatever you do ,yes close enough



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