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04 Mar 2008 Tue 02:33 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Canli, with all due respect. None of us - atheists feels offended if believers question his/her choice. It is exactly the opposite with you. If we ask questions about your religion and draw conclusions you don't like, you start insulting us (I don't mean "you" personally). Some members seem to have the approach saying - either admire us or get lost. This is not very fair either, is it?
I do agree some members calling themselves "free thinkers" were pushing it and acted improperly. But it is hard to stay indifferent to sites like this:
http://www.stophonourkillings.com/?name=News&file=article&sid=2378
Let me quote just a tiny fragment:
"A girl was brutally murdered by her father on suspicion of her character Monday. The father chopped the body and interred it without a proper burial ceremony.
Her alleged paramour escaped the area to save his life. The accused Pandi Jatoi used an axe to cut the body into pieces. The girl cried and tried to prove her innocence by holding the Holy Quran. The father was wanted to kill her paramour but the youth managed to flee.
On being contacted by The Post, the police expressed their ignorance about the incident. However, some sources in the police confirmed that their colleagues were deliberately concealing the matter."
When we express our disgust with a religion that allows such things to happen, you take it as an attack on Islam. I have met many Muslim in my life, some of my best friends are Muslim, and they openly admit they abhor such incidents and believe there's plenty of things to change in Islam. Here at this site, the loudest-speaking Muslims instantly tell us not to dig out the dirt in a backyard that doesn't belong to us or immediately start to talk about Inquisition. They fail to see the difference between past and now. It's easy to call us ignorants who have no right to speak about subjects we don't know. But what is there to know? A woman (more than one) died, and the religion you say to be yours allows to account for it. Don't demand that we respect a religion allowing people to kill others
It's not that we have a problem with Muslims - we don't. Personally, I don't care if you cover your head, face, toes or neck. I don't care if you pray sitting, kneeling, lying or walking. Why should I? It is your free will and choice. But I care if you tell me honour killings are good and if you justify women's submissiveness saying it's their character. It is not. It is the upbringing that limits them.
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Daydreamer,
İ wont start a discussion about religion here,nor about İslam,because actually i had enough about it here
but of course yes,i excepect you 'i dont mean you personally ' to respect my religion even if you dont agree with it
As we respect other religions too which of course we dont agree with them also,but it called mutual respect,and it should be in normal relation between people
Not just deep relations,but it should be among human
Respect me,pespect my believes,respect my ideas,my opinions, even if you dont agree with them.
As i also should do same with you..
And we both have the right to point out our disagreement too
We dont feel offended when you QUESTİON our believes too,but there is much difference between QUESTİONİNG our believes and expressing your DİSGUST of our religion !
To express you DİSGUST with my religion ,im afraid that mean you attack it yes..
Disgust is a big word,and it doesnt come with respect...so dont expect me 'not just me ,i mean Muslims' to feel its ok to accept people not respecting our religion.
İslam doesnt allow people to kill others as you indicate.
İf you want to indecate such thing,read about it,understand it,search it then make such statment.
Then we have something to talk about if you want,and if you dont,its ok too.
İn Judaism its forbidden to kill ONLY a Jewish,but its OK to kill ANY human being because to Judaism they are dogs not humans !
Do you want me to go through other religions too ?!
You want to point out how do women treated in other religions,do you want to point out how do women takes their husbands names after marriage and lose theirs ?
Do you want to talk about how women be part of the heritage after her husband's death in some religions ?
No,you just see İslam that is all,how how BAD is it,yes ?!
İ NEVER saw any complaining about this anywhere,not in TC nor even in the Media too.
But about İSLAM...ohhh boyyy what such a barbaric religion,you can read about it EVERYWHERE
When a MUSLİM man killes his daughter,then it is İSLAM fault and you feel DİSGUST of such religion, yes ?!
And you say you dont have problem with İslam or Muslims ?!
YES, we ALL can see that !
''again i dont mean you personally''
Actually,i dont have to defend my religion in anyway,its my religion,and im ok with it,and wont change it too,i dont and didnt mind debating about it tho with respect to what i believe and offering same respect to the believes of the others.
İ was refering in my statment to TC here,and how they treat some Turks,and its true im afraid,i saw it,others saw it too.
They attack their believes 'İslam' their traditions,and make jokes about it and complain if Turks didnt take it well !
Some Turk dont have a good grip of English so they cant really reply it as well as they want,and at same time they feel offended so they just leave.
And the ones who have good command of English,and they reply it,they face a union against them,either with sercasm,or with attack,so also eventually they had enough and leave too !
Do you see many Turks here much ?
Now, let me ask you something,
You are complaining about people insult atheists here at TC ?
My dear,review threads and posts,and tell me,you find any insult or attack to ANY religion or believes here at TC except to İslam ?!
Review and be fair about it.
Here at TC most Turks are Muslims,Easterns are Muslims,and most Westerns are Christians,and there are some atheists too.
You would find the only attack,insult is to İslam and no others,and at same time,Muslims dont reply by attacking the other religions back,did we ?
Point to me where did we insult Christianity or Judaism or atheistic ?
Do you want me to point out how many threads have insulted İslam ?!
No need,they are many,and already locked too,yes ?!
İ guess TC is just part of the world who has no problem with İslam or Muslims,yes ?!
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