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18 Feb 2008 Mon 03:45 am |
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Quoting thehandsom:
With all due respect to what you believe Canli, but what you are saying is kind of approval of what femme said in the first place about muslims are easily offended about the jokes. And it is also KIND OF approval of condemming salman rushdi, danish cartoons etc..
But cant you see that these ideas were always common in the west? The only difference is the internet age and the information traveling so fast. so that some cartoons are printed, guys in pakistans sees the following day..(and somehow, tragically, some of them get killed in demonstrations  )
Since, we know that there is freedom of expression, and also we know that there are people thinking those things about islam.
Why dont you want to hear them? why is always people sent after those people responsible? (many people sent after s rushdi, they are trying to kill those danish cartonists, in Turkey, they burnt more than 30 intellects alive in sivas madimak-because aziz nesin published s rushdi's book )
About beliving in something and not making jokes about it: Sorry but, you are wrong and how come can you speak of all islamic people? there are many many jokes about mohammed and religion in turkish language. I can give some examples if you like..
About not questioning the bad things and simply call it faith is another thing I will disagree. I really believe that it is the part of reason why all the muslim countries are not developed!! Leaving everything to Allah kind of blocks the search for what is going wrong..
I think in this forum, we talked about REFORM in islam. What is acceptable as a joke, what is freedom of speach, what is really insulting or couple of infidels' cartoons can harm The Creater. They should all be in this reform package.
Islam should have a milder face. And not accepting any critisism or jokes is not doing any good to islam..
It is partly why in the world, christianty is expanding more than islam!!
I really think muslims should be more relaxed about these issues.
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With all due respect handsom,there is much difference between critisism and jokes !
İ accept critisism,but i do not accept jokes !
Joking is making fun about you believe,how can you believe in something dont worth your respect ?!
İ dont care if those idea is common in the West or not,we have our ideas about Christianity too,but you do NOT see it in cartoons!
There should be mutual respect between religions,and of coure between people too
that is 1,2 relatioships between others ... RESPECT
İts even what our parents teach us too!
As if you are telling me its ok to insult your parents because they insult their parents ?!
Or its ok to allow them to insult your parents,because they insult theirs!
Either ways,it will ALWAYS be wrong to insult parents ,wont it ?!
PS:i dont mean 'you' as 'YOU'
İ dont get your point about development tho !
Who is stopping you ?!
What is this got to do with İslam ?!
İn İslam ALLAH ordered us to learn,to search ...so who is stopping you ?!
And i dont understand what do you mean by REFORM in islam ?!
How can we REFORM what ALLAH sent to us,and what we BELİEVE in, so by this we are Muslims ?!
REFORM islam rules you mean ?
Pick the suitable ones and leave the ones we dont like?!
İ actually dont understand what you mean!
You just cant REFORM a religion,religion is set of rules,you take it as they are,you cant REFORM it unless you are the one who have sent it !
Sure insulting or couple of infidels' cartoons can not harm The Creator.
But they show LACK of respect !
You want Muslims to have cold blood and be cool when they hear insults to THEİR religion,and they should make fun of it too ?
That is how Muslims countries will be developed ?!
Would anyone hear someone insult his parents,and he would make fun of it ?!
As you said,there is Media and İnternet,so they should know this lack of respect will reach us too,and we dont HAVE to accept it too.
So we did what would any SANE person do when hear his insult,we complained,and we STOPPED dealing economically with people who insulted us till we get a proper apology
And i think its our right too,and i agree with that,but sending people after who ever to kill...that i dont agree with,and i dont think its in İslam too,i mean who gave them the right to judge who live and who should die?!
But,how do they deal with their religion is THEİR business,what do they think of our religion is THEİR business too...i accept that
But they showing us respect is our right as we show it to them...dont you think so ?
Btw,you said there is many jokes about mohammed and religion in turkish language.
İm curios about it,so can you pls pm me some of them ?!
Here in Egypt we Muslim and Christians live together,i didnt hear any joke about either Mohamed SAV or Christ too,maybe about İmam,about priests,about Muslims and Christians,but NEVER about prophets,so yes pls send to me.
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